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Ryan - WI

06-20-2005 13:09:23




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I grew up helping out a lot on the farma dn especially when haying time would roll around. Here in Wisconsin we use a thrower and a bale cage to collect the bales and then take them into the barn to mow them. My question is this, with all the labor saved by not having to pick up the bales from the field and stack them on a wagon, why doesn't everyone use the thrower system?




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Ryan - WI

06-22-2005 16:02:38




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 Re: Maybe this is a stupid question... in reply to Ryan - WI, 06-20-2005 13:09:23  
I know that everyone has there own method of doing things and all but some of your comments seem way off the mark. I do not know how loose it is that you guys make your bales but around here, if it can flex when it hits the rack then you are making puff balls that won't stack worth crap anyway. Used racks around here are lucky to bring 500 (especially with more guys going to big squares). And yes, unloading is a bit more difficult but so is heaving bales up off the ground and stakcing them 8 high on a flat rack. The fields having to be smooth... huh?

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Ryan - WI

06-22-2005 16:01:46




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 Re: Maybe this is a stupid question... in reply to Ryan - WI, 06-20-2005 13:09:23  
I know that everyone has there own method of doing things and all but some of your comments seem way off the mark. I do not know how loose it is that you guys make your bales but around here, if it can flex when it hits the rack then you are making puff balls that won't stack worth crap anyway. Used racks around here are lucky to bring 500 (especially with more guys going to big squares). And yes, unloading is a bit more difficult but so is heaving bales up off the ground and stakcing them 8 high on a flat rack. The fields having to be smooth... huh?

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Tom from Ontario

06-21-2005 19:09:43




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 Re: Maybe this is a stupid question... in reply to Ryan - WI, 06-20-2005 13:09:23  
Hay buyers absolutely hate thrower bales because they are bent, either by the thrower or by impact in the wagon. VERY tough to build a solid load on a truck that's going to go down the highway and nobody dares chance dumping a load on an oncoming car at 60 mph. Thrower wagons are a total beast to unload and your fields must be as smooth as tables or the weight of the thrower bouncing on the baler will bend the chamber. Would not consider one, too many alternatives.

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Roper6365

06-21-2005 05:32:40




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 Re: Maybe this is a stupid question... in reply to Ryan - WI, 06-20-2005 13:09:23  
From my own experience this year, I'm not crazy about the thrower, " NH 70". Busted bails go everywhere and one more thing to worry about, I'v already replaced the tension moter this year. I'll still use it only because most of the hay is being sold up and down the road and the customers are coming to the fields and getting the wagons and i'm doing it alone. If I had help i'd lose the thrower and have them stacked on the wagon.

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paul

06-20-2005 13:50:38




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 Re: Maybe this is a stupid question... in reply to Ryan - WI, 06-20-2005 13:09:23  
1. The labor is available.

2. A bale thrower is a $1000 upgrade or more, 2 bale thrower racks are $1500 each. So it is $4000 to get into it, while one already owns the current baler & flat racks.

3. It is really almost fun to stack on the hayrack in the field. Hot, sweaty, icky stacking in the mow....

4. It is a lot easier to unload a stacked hayrack vs a thrown rack full of stuff.

5. Less busted bales if you stack a hayrack & unload it in the mow with bale hooks by hand. I typically get 2-4 broken bales per 1000 put in the barn, counting missed knots. Lots more with a thrower...

6. More maintenence. Unkle busted his arm working on a JD thrower, while the NH type are pretty hard on the bales. More stuff to break, more down time.

7. Probably most imprtant, 'we always done it this way.'

I moved up to a bale basket and an older round baler, as I lost the folks for driving & got into a bit more hay than I could handle myself, but still make 2-6,000 bales a year of the smalls with the one basket. I like the basket a little better than a thrower.

--->Paul

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KRUSS

06-21-2005 09:29:20




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 Re: Maybe this is a stupid question... in reply to paul, 06-20-2005 13:50:38  
4000 would buy a 1033 NH bale wagon. Get it adjusted properly and don't touch the bales. If spoilage is a concern tarp the bales or shed them. Or make round bales. This is 2005, the cattle and horses are supposed to work for you, not you for them.



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paul

06-21-2005 10:22:57




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 Re: Maybe this is a stupid question... in reply to KRUSS, 06-21-2005 09:29:20  
Yup. Not too many throwers being sold any more. They do their thing, but not the 'best' way to go either for everyone.

I have room in the upstairs of my barn for 6000 bales of hay, can't run machinery on the floor, so some manual labor is needed or building is wasted.....

--->Paul



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A.C.-T.J.

06-20-2005 19:17:21




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 Re: Maybe this is a stupid question... in reply to paul, 06-20-2005 13:50:38  
Its always easier to find tractor drivers than bale stackers!



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old

06-20-2005 13:46:51




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 Re: Maybe this is a stupid question... in reply to Ryan - WI, 06-20-2005 13:09:23  
Most balers with them make half bales that are hard to stack. Also now that people do round bales theres a lot less squares being baled



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