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NEW FARMER

06-15-2005 19:07:26




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I bought property in north central Kentucky which has about 10 acres alfalfa and 30 acres in grass
hay.It is all good hay.My neighbor agreed to cut
it on shares.We didn't discuss what share before hand.After he cut and bailed the alfalfa,he told
me his share was 2/3rds.It seems ok on the grass
hay but I feel I might be getting the short end on the alfalfa.I don't intend to say anything to
him.I don't want to create hard feelings.being he is a good neighbor.Just wondering how anybody else does shares.

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JK-NY

06-18-2005 06:28:09




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to NEW FARMER, 06-15-2005 19:07:26  
"AROUND HERE"-usually these deals are people who want their fields cut for free as opposed to bush hogging them /paying for bush hogging.Usually not the best hay-older stands-weedy etc.usually owner hasnt put fertilizer etc on. 2/3 -1/3 is not unreasonable. Last 2 places I cut hay on besides my own, they gave me all the hay , just wanted it cut.I did give the one owner some money as he let me use a barn too, but that was my own choice.I would suggest in your case- since you didnt discuss this ahead of time I would live with it this year. If you find that someone else would do better by you ,let them cut it next year. Or see if you can rent it for cash rent instead.Usually around here getting 1/3 of hay is worth more than what the cash rent would be if you need the hay or can get it sold.There are alot of variables -round vs square bales, do you have to do anything(unload wagons , store the hay) with your 1/3, do you need it or not, does the guy who cuts it buy your 1/3 so you have no work involved or is your 1/3 square baled onto the ground and you have to pick it up ETC ETC.

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havvey

06-17-2005 12:59:13




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to NEW FARMER, 06-15-2005 19:07:26  
around here we mow and bale and get all the hay is very poor. in an extreme if a portion is not usable we get paid to mow.



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Sid

06-16-2005 22:11:05




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to NEW FARMER, 06-15-2005 19:07:26  
How we do shares around here differs on the amount and quality. And we talk about it and determine before hand. You don't want to talk to him cause you don't want to cause hard feelings. What if he is reading your post?



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hayman

06-16-2005 11:18:44




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 depends on what kind of hay bales in reply to NEW FARMER, 06-15-2005 19:07:26  
If the farmer is just cutting and round baling this hayland that he has no seed or fert. cost in then maybe a 60/40 or 50/50 split would be fair.

However if he is square baling it and doing ALL the work then a ratio more like 70/30 would be more likely. Because square baling is so much more work and risk.



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Galen

06-16-2005 05:10:11




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to NEW FARMER, 06-15-2005 19:07:26  
Most guys around here (SE Nebraska) are going with 60/40 or 2/3. The guy baling has all the expense of putting it up, you're just watching it grow (and hauling your part). A FEW guys are still 50/50, but that will change.



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Indydirtfarmer

06-16-2005 06:49:56




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to Galen, 06-16-2005 05:10:11  
There's two sides to that arguement. Fuel, twine, labor, equipment are high....

So is the cost of LAND.

I do some custom baling, and I do my own hay. I see 60/40, and I see 50/50. Just have to make the best deal you can and go with it....

(That's why 90% of my custom baling is cash, per bale)



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Allan in NE

06-16-2005 06:17:38




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to Galen, 06-16-2005 05:10:11  
Mornin' Galen,

I'm right in the middle of lining up some seed and fertilizer for a new alfalfa field. If a feller runs those numbers, it is plain to see that the landowner isn't just settin' there "watchin' it grow".

At $100 a ton, I might see a little break-even point at about the 3rd or 4th year out and that is with my getting all the crop. Trouble is, by about the 5th year, then it is time for the fertilizer again.

So, a little time, diesel fuel and twine are the least of my worries. :>(

Allan

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Galen

06-16-2005 10:05:27




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to Allan in NE, 06-16-2005 06:17:38  
True the fertilizer and seed will cost ya, but in his case he just bought the land, so doubt he had that cost. We also don't know what he paid for the ground, or how it splits out - ground to farmstead, tillable to hay, etc. I don't have the alfalfa (praire and brome), but the neighbors around have the alfalfa. Not many of them fertilize, even when planting (only nurse crop). Everyone conditions/soil are a little different. Just came back in from helping a neighbor put up a small patch of alfalfa and another small patch of brome. He has a NH 273 Hayliner that we were fighting to get to tie right. THINK we may have it, but got it on the last few bales - have to wait until next week to do some of mine so we can see if we got it. It's one of those deals where you wish you could cut and bale the same day so we could find out! He had robbed some parts off it last year, and wants to get it running to sell. What would be a fair price? It's mid 70's model - always been shedded and WILL work good before he sells it (worked good last year, before he robbed the parts!).

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NEW FARMER

06-16-2005 10:44:08




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to Galen, 06-16-2005 10:05:27  
I paid a good amount for the property,so I believe that would be the same as if I had planted it.



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Galen

06-16-2005 10:46:57




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to NEW FARMER, 06-16-2005 10:44:08  
Well - then ya just gotta figure out what the best deal for you is then! Ask around to others in your area and they will let you know what the going rate is!



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Allan in NE

06-16-2005 04:11:10




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to NEW FARMER, 06-15-2005 19:07:26  
Not on hay, he is flat out raping you.

Just my view,

Allan



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Jeh

06-16-2005 03:45:24




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to NEW FARMER, 06-15-2005 19:07:26  
I still do one feild at 50/50, but with the price of fuel and twine what they are this is the last year. Next year 60/40



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old

06-15-2005 20:39:06




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to NEW FARMER, 06-15-2005 19:07:26  
In my area that is going rate no matter what type of hay it is. Once in a while you might luck out and get a 50/50 deal but not very often.



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edchansaw

06-16-2005 20:58:46




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 Re: Hay shares in reply to old, 06-15-2005 20:39:06  
anyone priced parts for any thing.. and rental when your down?


this is going to seam way out of line but ... around here in west central IN
the locals are 1/4 share for the owner.. (grass-clovermix) mostly around here no owner does anything to keep up a field either because hay is so plentyful.



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