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PLayman

06-15-2005 15:46:25




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I have a ih 46 baler i bought this spring, the last couple days i"ve been trying to bale my hay with it and about every 5-6 bales the knot doesnt get pulled off the bill hooks. It happens more on the one side than it does the other. I have tsc twine in it, ive heard that you shouldnt use their twine in this baler, but that was after it was already bought. If you think thats my problem where should i get twine from, the nearest dealership is a jd, do they have good twine? When i thought it couldnt get any worse I ran through some heavier hay and the pickup teeth quite working when picking up hay. It looks like there is a clutch for the drive sprocket and a spring and nut holding it on. Can itighten that nut up to fix it or do i need to replace the clutches? Thanks in advance for any help.

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Leroy

06-17-2005 06:03:02




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 Re: ih 46 baler trouble in reply to PLayman, 06-15-2005 15:46:25  
We used to have before we quit dairing have a 46 and that would cause a lot on tying problems, when we bought it at auction they had a complete plunger there that looked good in the junk pile. We found out that if the slides that the plunger work on are worn it will let the plunger raise and lower enough to cause notter proplems and on that baller it has the slides welded to the plunger, not replaceble without a torch, Before we had that baler (Bought because of the kicker after heat stroke) we hat a New Holland that got so it wouldn't tye, many different people worked on it, couldn't get it to tye, Last one to look at it said the slides wore, Dad said I don't believe you but go ahead and change, (Wood Slides bolted on) started tying like a new one and used it for many a year till that heat stroke, that is when we went from loading by hand to a kicker.

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Galen

06-16-2005 10:20:23




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 Re: ih 46 baler trouble in reply to PLayman, 06-15-2005 15:46:25  
Dad had an IH46 baler when I was a pup. Scourge of the Earth! Thing might tie 50 bales then skip one. Might tie 3 bales then skip one. Might tie 100 bales then skip one. Never knew with the thing. Since I was youngest, guess who got to "ride the baler" on the twine box. Must have rode that thing for a million bales and gave a yell every time it skipped a knot. Dad would stop, come back and tie it by hand, check it all out and go again until the next time it "did it's thing". Dad was an IHC certified mechanic and worked on all kinds of IH stuff for years. He got this baler from a dealership who took it in on trade. Three different farmers had it before we got it. All 3 threatened it with "Death by Torch", before Dad ended up with it (think he got it for free or next to it). He got it running and useable, but I've never looked at a "46" since without cringing! Hope you have better luck!

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KRUSS

06-16-2005 10:31:01




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 Re: ih 46 baler trouble in reply to Galen, 06-16-2005 10:20:23  
I also was the"knotter" on a 46 IH. To this day when I see one working I say to myself "Now there's a mechanic"



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Galen

06-16-2005 10:44:51




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 Re: ih 46 baler trouble in reply to KRUSS, 06-16-2005 10:31:01  
Yup! Been helping a neighbor get a NH273 back to working order. Delveloped tying problems (he had robbed some parts earlier for another neighbor, so we were putting it back together). Had to "ride the box" on this one for a while.... sure brought back nightmares....er.....memories!



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Bobg

06-15-2005 21:32:44




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 Re: ih 46 baler trouble in reply to PLayman, 06-15-2005 15:46:25  
The knot is pulled off the bill hook by the bale being pushed back in the chute. I would loosen the bill hook tension about 1/8 to 1/4 turn. I don't have my book at hand, but it only takes a little bit to work. I have the IH 27 baler which has the same knotters. It wouldn't tie it you hit a slug of hay, but if the windrows were nice and even it will tie all the time. I have used Brillion plastic twine in the past, but always had trouble with on side not tieing. Switch to CDC twine I believe it is called and it bales pretty good this year. You also need to keep the knotter area clean of hay and it will tie better.

Bobg

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RAW in IA

06-15-2005 16:31:15




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 Re: ih 46 baler trouble in reply to PLayman, 06-15-2005 15:46:25  
Dad had a 45 baler and the knotters on the two are identical. If you have an owners manual, it will explain how to adjust the knotters and get them to tie. One thing we found out, you want to buy the best twine you can find. Poor twine does not work in those knotters. Also I remember that the twine knife in the knotter must be sharp and adjusted right. Other than that I don't remember too much about adjusting them. Our 45 had two kog gears the twine came through at the twine box, and one time dad decided they needed oiling,(they had small oil holes in them). Wouldn't tie a bale! He finally read in the book that they should never be oiled. He took them off, cleanmed off the oil and threw a little dust in for good measure, and it tied like a champ! I don't think the 46 has them though. If everythin is set right and good twine and that baler should tie good.

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