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Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine

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John/Pa

06-12-2005 12:37:18

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Any ideas on how to keep 4' orchard grass from plugging my 477? Is it asking to much of the machine to handle it? I cut one 2 acre field, only plugged a couple times. The next field I could't get 10' between plugs. A one acre field, started at 9AM, gave up at 230PM, not quite half cut. The reel is set low to the teeth, and towards the back to cut some finer grass I have. Would it help to raise the reel and move it out towards the front? Was thinking the long material wasn't clear of the tines when the rolls would grab it and hang up just enough to wrap. Granted, the rolls are missing some rubber. Any ideas? I know next year I am going to start cutting orchard grass when it is 2' tall! Thanks, John

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Chick

06-22-2005 20:54:31

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 12:37:18

A haybine is nothing but a maintenance nightmare. Use a standard disc mower to cut and then ted the hay regular until dry. Sudan Sorghum (hay grazer) is about the only thing I have seen down here, that a haybine could be considered an attribute to.

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Don-Wi

06-12-2005 21:04:31

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 12:37:18

Reel speed is the biggest factor. Our NI machine has the option to change the reel speed by changing the drive sprocket. You need to match the reel speed to the ground speed, if not go a little faster. Some machines the reel just goes way to fast. I've cut canary grass that goes over the hood of our 285 Massey (atleast 6') almost every year, very few cloggings. Some machines just don't work in it, others do.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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John in WV

06-12-2005 19:31:57

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 12:37:18

Stub guards work best in this condition. Drum and disc mowers have problems to discbines do a better job.Poultry litter is a problem in this area grass is hard to cut when it is tall and down.

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wolfman

06-12-2005 18:51:50

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 12:37:18

Increase ground speed a lot. Get into your 6 to 7 mph gear & roll. Your rolls are grabbing heads before the knife has cut it.

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davisfarms

06-12-2005 17:03:20

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 12:37:18

raise the swoth board behind rollers as high as possibly ,or buy you JOHNDEERE ha .i have 12acres of orchardgrass,timothy,alfalfa,bluegrass,that made 845square and 12 5x6 johndeere round bales so Iknow about thick hay we rake bale and rerake to get it all

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Sid

06-12-2005 15:05:33

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 12:37:18

Lots of good points as Jimmy King said reel speed is an important part of it. My experiences has been match reel speed as close as possible to ground speed. I think you are right about moving the reel.

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John/Pa

06-12-2005 15:02:23

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Thanks for replies in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 12:37:18

I did put new guards and sickle bar on last year. Grass was a little wet at bottom. I do have stops on cylinder rod to keep the header up some. My op manual is down at the farm and I do remember reading about the different reel adjustments. Will tinker with that tomorrow. I just wanted reassurance that if set up right this little machine can handle tough orchard grass. My arms were wore out cutting the grass out with a hooked knife. Haven't decided on what to do about the rolls. No rubber at all in the center. Spend $1600.00 for new, look for used, or look for another machine. Thanks again, John

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Joe in IN

06-12-2005 18:41:06

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Re: Thanks for replies in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 15:02:23

Wet on bottom could be your issue. Your story sounds exactly like mine, and mine was also damp underneath.... A couple days later on same field(and no rain) and it cut fine..... .

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TGIN

06-12-2005 15:38:55

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Re: Thanks for replies in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 15:02:23

I filled the holes and cracks on one of ours with liquid nails a few yrs. ago , it`s hanging in there .

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Hay Dr

06-12-2005 14:54:25

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 12:37:18

With a drum or disc mower you would not have any trouble. With the haybine you just have to mow when the grass is shorter and dry. Just remember you can not put the hay up if you do not mow it down. Once you use a drum or disc mower you will never go back.

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Roy in UK

06-14-2005 11:50:25

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to Hay Dr, 06-12-2005 14:54:25

I remember the looks of astonishment my dad used to get when he could still be cutting grass while it was "chucking it down with rain " with that Fahr drum mower we had.

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RayP(MI)

06-13-2005 05:37:36

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to Hay Dr, 06-12-2005 14:54:25

How much HP is needed to run one of these things? Could I get by running one with a Farmall 200 putting out around 25hp if I take it easy?

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Hay Dr

06-13-2005 05:45:42

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to RayP(MI), 06-13-2005 05:37:36

The T-135 needs only 20 HP.

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John/Pa

06-12-2005 18:23:23

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I agree with you about discmower in reply to Hay Dr, 06-12-2005 14:54:25

I used neighbors discbine untill I bought the 477. They have one with flails instead of rollers. Don't think anything would stop that machine! I would like to get a discmower. One machine to replace haybine, brushhog and sickle mower. You have to understand here in Lancaster Pa its hard to break tradition. Hay "has" to be conditioned to take advantage of 3 day window. Of course, if I feel the need to condition I can always pick up one of the old hay conditioners that are still available around here. The Amish use them still. Any recomendations on make of discmower?
Take care John

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Roy in UK

06-14-2005 04:24:27

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Re: I agree with you about discmower in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 18:23:23

Lely Disc mowers are very good , a slightly more 'beefed up' version of them is sold by Vermeer in N. America. I had a Lely Optimo ( 2.4 metre cut, 7 foot 10 inch in old money) with the flail conditioner and in all sorts of thick tangled rain laid crops , ( I am in England remember LOL ) hand on my heart I can't remember bunging it up once.The shaft driven gearbox reduces power requirement too. The MF 168 we had handled it in 1st. gear high range without a murmur.

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Hay Dr

06-12-2005 18:32:35

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Re: I agree with you about discmower in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 18:23:23

You can take a 3 point drum or disc mower and a tedder and put up grass hay as quick as anyone even with the expensive discbine mower conditioners. We harvest close to 1000 acres a year and use only disc mowers and tedders. We average 50" of rain each year so only in FL. do they have more rain fall.

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Allan in NE

06-12-2005 16:09:03

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to Hay Dr, 06-12-2005 14:54:25

Found these pictures over on another site. These are the toys that they guys use around here.

Sure wish I had that kind of money! :>(

Allan

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John/Pa

06-12-2005 18:14:13

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Why would you want it to be easy? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-12-2005 16:09:03

Last year I sold a 5 acre field to neighbor. Me and my hay crew of 5 worked all day putting up small bales. Neighbor came in and made round bales, came back with trailer, loaded bales and was gone! Sure wish my crew hadn't seen it! I think it ruined them! Take care John

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Hay Dr

06-12-2005 18:08:45

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to Allan in NE, 06-12-2005 16:09:03

Just over 50% of the cattle in the USA is owned by farmers that own less than 150 acres. Bigger equipment is just not feasible for these operators. They need affordable equipment that fits their tractors and size farms. The USA swather market is less than 500 units sold a year. The USA drum mower & disc mower market is 5,000-10,000 units a year.

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Jimmy King

06-12-2005 14:16:09

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 12:37:18

John, check your operators manual. Reel speed is a big part of it. I can"t remember if it needs to be speeded up or slowed down. Also if it is wet that doesn"t help.

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RickB

06-12-2005 12:59:53

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 12:37:18

Absolutely nothing beats new guards and fresh knives except a disc cutter. If I remember correctly, the reel should be forward, up and timed early for tall crops. If it is wrapping on the rolls, trim the edges of the missing rubber so it doesn't grab the crop. Feel free to consult your op manual for adjustment guidlines.

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roper6365

06-12-2005 13:28:57

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to RickB, 06-12-2005 12:59:53

I cut my orchard grass at about 2-3 ft bone dry. I'v found that the haybine throws a hissy fit if the grass is even damp. The new gaurds and knives are a must in heavy grass and The ol'timer I bought the haybine from said to cut no lower than 3-4 inches. He made me a spacer for the arm that lowers the head, it's a two inch piece of pipe that I collared over the bar and it works great.

That's my two cents...

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RickB

06-12-2005 12:58:48

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Re: Orchard Grass is plugging my haybine in reply to John/Pa, 06-12-2005 12:37:18

Absolutely nothing beats new guards and fresh knives. If I remember correctly, the reel should be forward, up and timed early for tall crops. If it is wrapping on the rolls, trim the edges of the missing rubber so it doesn't grab the crop. Feel free to consult your op manual for adjustment guidlines.

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