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mark

06-09-2005 15:00:56




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How many horsepower would recommend for 3 mounted 16" plows and what brand do you prefer for ease of pulling and adjustment.




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tim[in]

06-12-2005 08:54:44




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 Re: Your opinions please in reply to mark, 06-09-2005 15:00:56  
first and formost now beyond anything is CAN you get parts for the plow? an old plow wont do you anygood if you cant get it to dig in. i have 2 old allis plows but finding the correct parts to fit the particular bottom may be impossible. my plow is wonderful to plow with and it has the best bottoms i think for my type of situation but it is starting to look impossible to find parts. so while it will be a nice part of my "collection" it is practically useless to me to farm with. starting to look like i might have to find me another plow just so i can have the parts to keep it in working condition.

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Hugh MacKay

06-11-2005 17:36:16




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 Re: Your opinions please in reply to mark, 06-09-2005 15:00:56  
Mark: Depending on your soil, depth of plowing and speed, it will require somewhere between 15 and 20 dbhp per bottom. Whether you get your traction from weight transfer or ballast with a trailer plow makes little difference. You still require traction.

That Deere with 4x4 is probably going to find it's traction without either weight added or weight transfer. Cold hard facts, you put more rubber on the ground pulling you get added traction and you also get less soil compaction.

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John (MO)

06-10-2005 06:44:49




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 Re: Your opinions please in reply to mark, 06-09-2005 15:00:56  
Everyone has given you good advise. Let me just add that, until you try a particular plow, behind your tractor, in your soil, you won"t know for sure just how it is going to work. I am sure that you can make almost any of them work, but maybe just not quite as perfectly as you would like. If you buy a particular plow at a reasonable price, and find it isn"t quite what you had hoped, you should be able to sell it an buy another to try without very much additional investment. Or, sometimes you can even find someone willing to let you try a plow for a day before closing the deal, then you could pretty much know for sure if this was a plow you were going to like. There are a lot of 3 bottom mounted plows and there are quite a few for sale at any one time.

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TomTX

06-10-2005 03:11:16




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 Re: Your opinions please in reply to mark, 06-09-2005 15:00:56  
MF Model 74 3-point plows are built really well. Most are "shear pin" type trip beam, some have a "re-set trip mechanism". I perfer the more common shear pin type. My MF dealer was able to order me the Operator Manual, and the Parts Manual. There were huge numbers of these manufactured and can be found at auctions. You should be fine with 3 16" bottoms if you have average land. If you have real hard land, then 3 14s would be a good fit.

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NIndianaDan

06-10-2005 01:04:24




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 Re: Your opinions please in reply to mark, 06-09-2005 15:00:56  
Hi, Not familiar with your Deere model, however the two horsepowers you gave do not mean much when it comes to pulling a plow. You need to know your "Draw Bar" HP. Some of the newer tractors have high pto HP. But,the tractors are light and do not have nearly as much draw bar hp.(torque & traction) Generally, trailer type plows pull easier than mounted. Type of ground will matter. Thumb rule: 15-20hp/each 16"bottom.

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Tim(nj)

06-10-2005 12:40:12




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 you are incorrect in reply to NIndianaDan, 06-10-2005 01:04:24  
On smaller lighter tractors, a properly adjusted 3-point mounted plow will always pull easier than a trailer plow. The physics of the 3-point hitch will give traction to the rear wheels as the plow "sucks" in. The same tractor would need to have a bunch of weight slabbed onto the rear wheels to handle the same size trailer plow. I know from experience that I could pull a 3-point JD 416 3-14 with an MF65 gas utility at 45DB hp, but could not handle a JD 444 3-14 trailer plow, for lack of traction. Wheels would just slip trying to use it. The man who owned the 444 also had an MF65 gas, but his tractor was the row-crop version, that had bigger cast rear wheels, bigger tires that held more calcium, and some wheel weights added, so he could pull the trailer plow.

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farmertee

06-09-2005 15:14:58




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 Re: Your opinions please in reply to mark, 06-09-2005 15:00:56  
I would recommend at least 60-70 horsepower and I would recommend White or Oliver plows. The same company also made Ford and I believe Case.



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mark

06-09-2005 16:20:15




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 Re: Your opinions please in reply to farmertee, 06-09-2005 15:14:58  
I bought a new JD 5320 4wd it supposedly dyno'd 58 hp at the pto and advertised 64 on the engine. I figured it might be enough for 3 plows.



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Tim(nj)

06-10-2005 12:42:41




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 Re: Your opinions please in reply to mark, 06-09-2005 16:20:15  
You can pull 3-14 no problem, 3-16 might even work. That MFWD makes a big difference in drawbar pull. Draft control is better on the new tractors than those of 50 years ago, which also makes a big difference.



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Brian in NY

06-10-2005 05:24:09




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 Re: Your opinions please in reply to mark, 06-09-2005 16:20:15  
I am sure that JD will get er done as long as you aren't going crazy with depth and the soil is not extremely heavy. That JD was made for that kind of plow. Wouldn't try anything much bigger though.



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Jerry (AL)

06-09-2005 18:41:59




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 Re: Your opinions please in reply to mark, 06-09-2005 16:20:15  
It really depnds on a number of factors like your soil, depth, etc.

I can pull 3 X 16 JD plow with my MF255. The tires are loaded and it's a pretty heavy tractor with around 53 HP. My soil isn't that bad though and I don't plow very deep, around 6 inches.

I've come up with a 3 X 14 that is a better plow with all the coulters though and I will switch over to it next go round.

Massey says go with 15 HP per 14 inch bottom I think.

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mark

06-10-2005 11:58:59




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 Re: Your opinions please in reply to Jerry (AL), 06-09-2005 18:41:59  
3 14's would be fine and I wouldn't be bothered with 2 16's. But, if the machine can handle the load, I'd just as soon get more work done with each pass.

It seems everytime an ambiguous question gets asked, replies come with a dozen factors attached. I haven't carried my tractor down to the local tractor weighing scales, but it probably goes close to 5500 lbs. That being said, I understand OLD and GLORIOUS iron weighs twice as much with the same HP output as the newer machines and made tons of drawbar HP. Most of those fantastic incarnations had armstrong steering, no hydraulics, drank gasoline, maybe 6 gears but more like 4 and beat your liver out while you sat in a steel pan seat. Been there and done it, but admittedly less than many of the old farmers here.

I understand this an antique tractor site and I enjoy visiting everyday. Old machines are interesting. So are B17 bombers and P 51 Mustangs. But they ain't B2's or F16's. As these aircraft cannot be compared, neither can 40's, 50's and 60's era tractors be compared to those of today. There are so many different factors involved with the machines of now compared to those of yesterday that allows lighter tractors to perform the work of the old heavy and clumsy tractors.....efficiency has been greatly improved in all areas...not just fuel consumption. I just don't buy into the old adage of heavy weight to pull a certain plow. I'm not denying it, but most power is delivered to all wheels nowadays, there is better weight distribution to said wheels and the newer machines devlope more HP compared to their ancestors.

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