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Does anyone make a small discbine??

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Joe in IN

06-07-2005 14:17:30




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I have a JD 3010D (55 hp). Does anyone make a small disc conditioner that my tractor could handle. The smallest I have been able to find is about 9 feet with 65hp min.

I have found locally a 9 foot case IH 3309 for under 4K but I think I am lacking the HP. Thoughts?




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HillBilly in Vegas

06-08-2005 21:57:05




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 Re: Does anyone make a small discbine?? in reply to Joe in IN, 06-07-2005 14:17:30  
We use a Vermeer RC-7120 discbine (9'-2" cut) with a John Deere 730 diesel (~60 hp) and it runs just fine on flat ground and some rolling hills, nothing too steep.



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Hayman

06-07-2005 22:06:48




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 Re: Does anyone make a small discbine?? in reply to Joe in IN, 06-07-2005 14:17:30  
I own a CIH 3309 disc mower. I typically run it with a 970 case which is about 95hp. It handles it nicely at 8 mph. I also have used my smaller tractor a 80HP and it handles it too fine.

Going with smaller HP would depend on how big of hills you have and how fast you want to travel in a heavy crop.



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Indydirtfarmer

06-07-2005 18:16:36




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 Re: Does anyone make a small discbine?? in reply to Joe in IN, 06-07-2005 14:17:30  
I saw somewhere that Vermeer is about to (or already have) release a discbine to "partner" with the 5400 "Rebel" round baler. That baler has a 45 HP minimum. I'd give your local Vermeer dealer a ring and see what the story is. They make some top-notch equipment.



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casey in ky

06-07-2005 16:03:51




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 Re: Does anyone make a small discbine?? in reply to Joe in IN, 06-07-2005 14:17:30  
New Holland just started making a 9ft machine for "small" acerage. But I think the specs say 65 pto hp min. Agco(Hesston, New Idea, and Massey Ferguson) has been making a 9ft machine a few months longer, and I"m pretty sure the specs say 60 pto hp min on those machines. If the weight is not to much, and your not cutting anything unreasonable, you might one to give one these machines(both NH and Agco) a look. Your in the ballpark and if you"ve got a trustworthy dealer(I do, thank the lord) they"ll tell you wether you can safely run one or not. I know I"ve ran a lot of things "underpowered" and been just fine. I"ve also had a few cases where it wasn"t. Hope this helps,

Casey

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caseyc

06-07-2005 14:53:03




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 Re: Does anyone make a small discbine?? in reply to Joe in IN, 06-07-2005 14:17:30  
does it have to be a discbine? have you considered a disc mower? i have a 3pt 7' gehl disc mower that requires 45hp. just a thought.

casey



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Joe in IN

06-07-2005 20:46:20




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 Re: Does anyone make a small discbine?? in reply to caseyc, 06-07-2005 14:53:03  
My thought was drying time and speed of cutting.

I've recently had problems(clogging) with a Heston PT10 MO-CO, it was borrowed and I'm a rookie so that could be part of the problem....I had so many clogs I really don't want to have another(though I am sure I will)

I guess my choices are:
1: Mo-co: Conditions takes longer
2: Disc or (Dr Hay's) Drum Mower... Fast but no conditioning 3: DiscBine....Speed and conditioning....

I only have 5 acres of alfalfa this year but am planting 12 more acres in the fall and could have 10 additional acres(total 27)and am worried about the time it will take to cut.

I'm in Indiana where we have warm but humid summers and drying time was a concern, thus my thought for needed conditioning.

Anyone(Hay Dr?) cut alfalfa without conditioning and have reasonable success?

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kyhayman

06-08-2005 04:40:34




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 Re: Does anyone make a small discbine?? in reply to Joe in IN, 06-07-2005 20:46:20  
I own a conditioner but yesterday was the first time it has been on the tractor since 2001. Strictly disc mower. In that time the least amount of alfalfa I've done is 76 acres, and some years a LOT more.

The main reasons I havent used a disc conditioner, COST. For the cost of a good dsic conditioner I can own 2 9' discbines and 2 tedders ($7500 to $8000 per discmower-tedder set). If used properly there is little difference in using a tedder and the impeller style conditioners. Most people run tedders too fast and wait too long after cutting to ted. My hay goes 30-70 to the dairy and horse markets. There is no question a tedder can be used to knock off all the alfalfa leaves, but so can a rake. If I mow 4 hrs, I ted 4 hrs. Ground speed 50% of mower speed, but its twice as wide. As soon as I stop mowing I tedder, then tedder the 3rd day or so if needed when the hay is WET with dew, sometimes that means 3 am.

I took the last of my first cutting 2 weeks ago, cut on a Thur, baled on a Sunday, 125 bales of alfalfa per acre, went in a 14.6% moisture. Ky Dept of Ag mobile hay test shows RFV of 138 which is not bad for a fairly mature first cutting.

Since you are in Indiana I would expect we have very similar weather most years. Also, the Kentucky Alfalfa COnference, each February is well worth your trip. World class program, put on by Ky Forage and Grasslands COuncil and the Extension Service, typically get people from 30-40 different states.

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Ken Macfarlane

06-08-2005 06:04:41




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 Re: Does anyone make a small discbine?? in reply to kyhayman, 06-08-2005 04:40:34  
NH used to make a 6'8" discbine (which is a disc mower conditioner) I would love to get a hold of one as we have a 50 hp and our neighbours have a 52 hp tractor.

The NH shaft drive models use a bit less power so I think we could spin it.

Ken



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kyhayman

06-08-2005 07:43:57




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 Re: Does anyone make a small discbine?? in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 06-08-2005 06:04:41  
I would think so, I used a 1326 Deere (impeller style conditioning, 7'10" bar) disc conditioner. Even with the horse power hogging impellers I ran it with a 1210 Case DB at 65 hp. In thick hay it was a load but always cut in the gear I wanted.



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