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Joe in IN

06-05-2005 19:00:46




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I have a JD 3010 D and a JD 327 baler. I recently cut thick alfalfa/timothy with a 9 ft mo-co. Raked two windrows together, plop it in second gear rev it up... Boom... Blew the flywheel shear bolt after one bale... My only guess is that I was ramming too much hay in and it got behind... Rest of the day, 1st gear not a problem....

So am I stuck in 1st gear or am I making a rookie mistake? I guess I could not rake two rows together to go faster, but I'd be making twice the laps so I wouldn't gain a thing(or would I?).

Any thoughts?

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Leland

06-06-2005 19:52:24




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 Re: Baling speed(gear).... in reply to Joe in IN, 06-05-2005 19:00:46  
I used to pull a massey #14 with a IH 706 or 806 and I could run in 3rd or 4th with no problems the TA helped out a lot also the 1st cutting being so thick you should have made single windrows but next time you will know. and yes you can run faster with 1 row even though you will make twice as many rounds you will be time and money ahead 1st is sorta slow now isn't it.



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Errin OH

06-06-2005 11:02:11




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 Re: Baling speed(gear).... in reply to Joe in IN, 06-05-2005 19:00:46  
For what it worth, I did a little experiment last year when questioning the amount of hay my old baler could bale. One of the lessons learned was windrow size vs speed. Regardless of size the speed needs to be close (constant) so the hay is (appears) flowing like water up off the ground and into the pickup chamber. To fast and you will bunch up (sharp bend on the ground) and actually out run the pick up. Throwing big wads into the baler. To slow and you will be pulling apart the windrow as it is pulling the hay in. Augers need a fair amount to push the hay across (this was my biggest issue). If they don't have a constant flow to it they tend to build up a wad and then push it across all at once. So you (read "I") had the same problem, baling in wads with all kinds of baling issues. Once I resolved the speed issue, then it was making sure the windrows were right size for the baler and constant. My optimum performance came from a windrow slightly less that the pickup width and just a tad more than half as high as the width. Literally flows up off the ground, across the chamber, into the plunger (no wads). That puts me in the 16-18 strokes (baler 66spm) per bale, bout a bale every 15-20 secs or 200+ an hour (6+ ton hour). If needed, as windrow varies, I can speed up just a tad or slow down. Not a lot though just a little so that the pickup continues to flow.

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paul

06-06-2005 06:06:21




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 Re: Baling speed(gear).... in reply to Joe in IN, 06-05-2005 19:00:46  
As the others say, it sounds like you have it about right as you are doing it. I rather drive slow & make less trips on the field with the heavy equipment, so you are going about as good as it gets unless there is a dull knife or etc. as mentioned.

--->Paul



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kyhayman

06-05-2005 21:39:54




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 Re: Baling speed(gear).... in reply to Joe in IN, 06-05-2005 19:00:46  
Windrows too big, knife dull, hay too wet, burr on knike, shim adjustment on knife..... ..... Betting it was speed though. Normally I have to bale in 1st or 2nd in good hay on a Ford 8 speed, and sometimes 1st is too fast if getting over 200 bales an hour in good timothy.

Any or all of the above.



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edchainsaw

06-05-2005 21:22:22




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 Re: Baling speed(gear).... in reply to Joe in IN, 06-05-2005 19:00:46  
I know you like to drive as fast as you can...

but fewer rows help in picking it up as well..



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msb

06-05-2005 20:38:07




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 Re: Baling speed(gear).... in reply to Joe in IN, 06-05-2005 19:00:46  
Your baler was designed to function correctly at 11-13 charges of hay per bale at 80 strokes per minute.Adjust your ground speed so that it takes those 11-13 plunger charges to make a bale and I bet it will work just fine.Previous to the 336 baler all other Deere balers were supposed to run at 60 strokes per minute.



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Tim(nj)

06-05-2005 19:14:36




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 Re: Baling speed(gear).... in reply to Joe in IN, 06-05-2005 19:00:46  
Are your plunger knives sharp? My 336 used to complain in heavy hay when the knives were getting dull. I started with a 7 foot haybine, and doubled windrows were OK, but when I upgraded to a 9 foot, the baler did not like 18 feet of hay in a windrow in 150 bale/acre timothy. Even with sharp knives it could get overloaded. With the ejector on the back, big windrows were even more of a pain because the bales could come out too fast for the pan to re-latch after throwing.

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