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Hays been cut ! ( long post )

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Randy-IA

06-03-2005 17:29:14




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Hi , I got over eager yesterday and cut 4 of my 6 acres . First time for me ! Took me about 5-1/2 hrs ! Does it sound like I had problems -OH YEAH , but maybe they are normal , I don't know . First of all I don't have any hydrualic cylinder yet for the sickle so I have a come-along on it to raise it . That makes for a lot of on and off the tractor ! Second , a 1755 Oliver and a small field with a trailer mower don't go together very well with a novice like myself tring to make square corners . Third , it took about 2 rounds to figure out how to put the grass board on the end of the bar . Finally just let it ride on the ground , that let me stay on the tractor a lot more - less plugging . Still couldn't get the knack of the square corners so I stopped at each corner got off cranked up the mower went to the next long side of the field and got off and let it down again . It's a good thing that my field is 1500 ft long so I didn't have to do that more than about 1/2 million times !!! Anyway , practice makes better and I still have a third of the field to do . And by the way remind me to measure at both ends of the field so I don't have points to try and mow , What a pain-in-the-frustration . I had a blast making up new expletives (sp) . I left a lot of mohawk strips but I'll get over it ! Practice , Practice , Practice ! And just think , I'm a heavy equipment operator but that little mower was kicking my butt ! I'm really looking forward to having the baler kick me around too ! SIGH !

So , now that it's down for between 24 and 28 hrs and I ignored all the rain that was forcasted should I get out there and turn it over with the rake , I don't have a tedder , or should I leave it till after it rains and just turn it once ? It's mostly grass with about 10% alfalfa and 1% nightshade and prickly lettuce @#$#@$%$#!! , I wish I had sprayed ! But I didn't . It seemed to dry down OK today but after asking about how to tell when it's dry enough to bale a few days ago as I was out in the field checking it after work I realized that I didn't have a clue as to when to turn it . Am I over analyzing hay ? Just go out and have fun to learn the ropes ? But after all the time and going without food for the last few weeks to get this old junk working I think I NEED to bring in at least some good quality hay . Well , It took so long to rant and rave here that I only have a hour of daylight left . Thanks for any and all opinions ( even if in the back of your head you're saying "What a DUMB*** " ) ...Randy

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Hay Dr

06-05-2005 03:27:14




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 17:29:14  
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With a New CCM drum mower for $2,300 you would have been finished in just over a hour. The hay would be curing and you would be done a day quicker, because you would have started mowing early in the morning or the evening before when the sickle bar mower would not work in damp grass. Yes you could also spend $5,000-$8,000 and get a new disc mower and save 30 minutes. Even a good used disc mower would cost to $2,500 or more.

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Seth_ia

06-05-2005 19:34:07




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Hay Dr, 06-05-2005 03:27:14  
The problem I see with one of thesedrum mowers is where do you get parts. At least with my New Idea disc mower I have two dealer within 30 minutes.



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Randy-IA

06-05-2005 11:00:18




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Hay Dr, 06-05-2005 03:27:14  
Hi Hay DR , I'm willing to accept donations to that end :] . If you could find it in your heart to donate , OH I don't know , $2,250 I'd be well on my way to being able to afford one :') ! But then you'd probably have to spring for the shipping also ! HA-HA .

No , seriously , What is the longevity of one of those things ? To get my money's worth it seems as though it would have to last at least 35 years . That would be at a depreciation of $80 a year . That's only because I'm not in this to sell hay . The return on it would be considerably faster if I did sell my excess hay ( first of all I've got to MAKE some hay ) . How often do you get used ones as trade-ins ? What would one expect to spend on a used one through you ? Plus shipping ?

It would be the cat's meow :) to have one ! But it's not in the card's for a few year's . Thanks for the offer though ! Take care ...Randy

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RickL

06-04-2005 14:23:27




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 17:29:14  
Randy; You were here after a Oliver rake earlier, anyway I have some hyd cylinders and I also have a elevator that I used to use for square bales,work fine when I last used it. I have first two fields done will be cutting some more next week,also you mention tedders I have one her e I have been experimenting with and so far to me it is not the tool to use in straight alfalfa hay,but will try again next week and will try tedding right behind the moco. Also currently have 3 rakes 2 mocos and a small bale grapple all for sale if you know someone who needs

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Randy-IA

06-04-2005 14:52:54




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to RickL, 06-04-2005 14:23:27  
Hi Rick , Yeah , I was wonding if you still had that rake ? The real reason I didn't get it back then was because of the trailer I rented or didn't rent dpending on how it's looked at . Basically , U-Haul ripped me off for $50 dollars by not knowing their own product . I explained in detail what I needed over the phone , they said that they had one but that they sold out about every weekend and I should reserve it even though it was less than 24 hours till I was going to pick it up . When I got there the trailer wasn't even close to what I wanted , it was the wrong size , had 2-3 foot sides , just wouldn't work . They charged me for a cancellation ! I was ready to rip the managers head off ! He told me it was my fault for reserving it ! That's why I didn't get it .

So if you still have it I'm still interested . What kind of elevator . You know the big problem is the distance . You're over a hundred miles from me . That'd be a trip ! Hauling a elevator down the highway for a hundred miles . I suppose it's been done but it's not something I want to do . If I can't get it on a trailer then I need to buy it closer to home . I can get a semi from work occasionally but I try and keep that to a minimum . 65 foot would be no problem with the stretch trailer but the trucks would have to be removed .

Isn't a tedder just for fluffing and knocking off rain and dew ? I could sure use on today ! Has it rained down there ?

My # is 319-240-2160 - Let me know ...Randy

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RickL

06-04-2005 17:52:59




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-04-2005 14:52:54  
Randy; Oliver rake is gone I have some others thou that are field ready in the 1250.00 range. the elevator that I have has a hyd lift option and I think all you would have to do is unhook front half of carriage and it should just lay down. $100.00 takes it I forget the exact length thou maybe 50ft will check on that if you would be interested. Do you have a baler yet? I did 980 small squares in short afternoon before the rain today.

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RickL

06-04-2005 17:52:27




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-04-2005 14:52:54  
Randy; Oliver rake is gone I have some others thou that are field ready in the 1250.00 range. the elevator that I have has a hyd lift option and I think all you would have to do is unhook front half of carriage and it should just lay down. $100.00 takes it I forget the exact length thou maybe 50ft will check on that if you would be interested. Do you have a baler yet? I did 980 small squares in short afternoon before the rain today.

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Randy-IA

06-05-2005 11:55:35




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to RickL, 06-04-2005 17:52:27  
Hi Rick , That's too bad about the rake . They don't show up that often but you know how it is - ya snooze ya lose !

I've got two 14t's and I found out that all the part's I need are still available for the 207 . They're just a little pricey . I'll be upgrading as I go . Buy cheap , fix up , hopefully sell to recoup what I've got in it , then buy something better . At least that's what I hope to do . Just can't afford much good equipment right now till I know that doing hay is something that I can do .

Thanks for the offer on the elevator . But they come up for sale closer to home now and then . It'd take about $75 in fuel to bring the semi for it so the cost advantage kind of diminishes !

Take care ... Randy

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Tim(nj)

06-05-2005 14:13:56




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 If that elevator were 100 miles from me . . . in reply to Randy-IA, 06-05-2005 11:55:35  
I"d jump all over it for $100 plus $75 worth of fuel. Good 50 foot elevators with hydraulic lift bring $1000+ around here! Something that long would cost way too much to get to New Jersey, unfortunately.



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Randy-IA

06-05-2005 11:33:52




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to RickL, 06-04-2005 17:52:27  
Hi Rick , That's too bad about the rake . They don't show up that often but you know how it is - ya snooze ya lose !

I've got two 14t's and I found out that all the part's I need are still available for the 207 . They're just a little pricey . I'll be upgrading as I go . Buy cheap , fix up , hopefully sell to recoup what I've got in it , then buy something better . At least that's what I hope to do . Just can't afford much good equipment right now till I know that doing hay is something that I can do .

Thanks for the offer on the elevator . But they come up for sale closer to home now and then . It'd take about $75 in fuel to bring the semi for it so the cost advantage kind of diminishes !

Take care ... Randy

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Countyman2

06-04-2005 11:55:00




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 17:29:14  
All good usefull comments so far but no one has told you when its ready to bale. My grandfather (and I am 67) always said you must listen to the hay , on a sunny morning kick through the hay and its silent, a few hours later when its been turned to let the air through the swath, pick it up and you will hear it rustle the its ready to bale. More recently in the last 20 years we use a round baler , it is relativly safe from the rain, haveing its own roof

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Randy-IA

06-04-2005 13:36:06




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Countyman2, 06-04-2005 11:55:00  
Hi Countyman , Thanks ! The problem now is that it was cut thursday afternoon and today it's rained most of the day ! Cloudy and humid . Probably got 1/4" or more of rain since last midnight . Had a couple heavy downpours this morning just before noon . The sun's been poking through now for the last hour or so but not enough to let things dry fast . There is a strong wind so that may help some . It's a good thing I couldn't get the whole field cut the other day so maybe I'll still get some good hay . Take Care ...Randy

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Countyman2

06-04-2005 14:44:07




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-04-2005 13:36:06  
Randy, The hay will not come to any great harm with some rain as long as it has not been turned, most of the cut ends of the stems will still be to the ground. Once its been turned then rains then is the time to worry, it soon deteriates then goes black and dusty



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Galen

06-04-2005 06:30:12




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 17:29:14  
Good Job, Randy! I remember the first time I cut hay - it was with an IH "B" and a 7' bar. I think I was about 10. It didn't take very long to learn - but I had three older brothers to watch (and THEY were watching ME!)! Yup, a good "Bale-or-vator" is a must for filling the haymow. Plenty of them around - no body uses them anymore - they've all gone to those round bales.



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Randy-IA

06-04-2005 14:22:23




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Galen, 06-04-2005 06:30:12  
Hi Galen , Thanks ! Around here the grain type goes for between $300-500 . The bale elevators ( if you can find one ) go for about twice that depending on length and whether it's on trucks . I was bidding on a real nice Kewanee pto raised 65' grain elevator that looked like it was shedded all it's life at a spring auction but I think the auctioneer either knew the lady who got it or he just wanted to go home because I didn't have time to up the bid again , it went like - 300, 325 SOLD ! I was pretty peeved . They never even looked around to see if anyone else was going to bid again . Oh well , They say good things come to those that wait . I'm 48 and I'm still waiting..... Take care ...Randy

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Joel Harman

06-04-2005 06:17:50




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 17:29:14  
Grass board makes clean path for inside shoe on next pass.

to open field up make 1st pass counter clockwise.

don't stress on the rain...takes an inch to really hurt it.

turn late in day ,if possible. Then ground where rolled windrow lands is dry.

cut late in afternoon if possible...mnore sugars in the stems then.



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Randy-IA

06-04-2005 14:06:22




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Joel Harman, 06-04-2005 06:17:50  
Hi Joel , Took a couple rounds before I remembered that , I just couldn't get the height on it right till I just loosened it up and let it drag the ground , ( it's one of those generic metal ones from TSC ) then it worked perfect ! There was a strong wind from the south east so when I was cutting to the west the grass would fall more forward and north and close up the clear space a little . I did ccw but with that big 1755 narrowed up as tight as it'll go the 7' bar just wasn't enough to keep the axles out of the fence post's . ( yup , I took out 3 fence post's with the axle on the first cw round ) Just T posts . Now I'm wondering when to turn it . Some local wisdom ( The one guy that I know that does hay ) say's don't turn until right before baling , especially after getting rained on . That doesn't sound good to me . That sickle laid that grass flat , wouldn't the rake fluff it up and let the air under it ? I don't know . Maybe it's high enough up on the stubble ? Thanks . Take care ...Randy

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max adams

06-04-2005 04:52:04




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 17:29:14  
Hello Randy, this is my second year at this hay thing and i know how you feel. it was murder for me. except i used an Allis B, 39 to be exact,no hydraulics. it also took me 8 or so hours to cut my 6 acres, then my baler thats another story. But it's getting better. I've moved up a little. I now have a JD 800 windrower and thanks be to God i love it. I went from a 5'cut to almost 13'.Boy what a difference! God willing next year a tedder. But for now if i could the weather to cooperate!!! Take care and good luck!!!!! !!!

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Randy-IA

06-04-2005 15:46:17




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to max adams , 06-04-2005 04:52:04  
Hi Max , That's dedication ! I don't think I would have done it twice using equipment that old ! I'm used to using fairly new equipment at work so I get frustrated easily with stuff that doesn't work right . That's why I spent ALOT of time working on this sickle and rake and baler . It's old and what I can afford but it's only a stepping stone toward upward mobility so to speak ;} . I'm always on the lookout for inexpensive better equipment . But I love old equipment too . If it works good and isn't totally worn out I'm good with it . I have a hard time parting anything out if there's a remote possibility that it might be brought back to life . That's why I go to the boneyard to get parts for my 14t parts machine ! It WILL run again ! But I want to get a 336 sometime or maybe a NH .

I'm getting anxious to go get the 990 I'm buying next weekend ! Then I'll give the 415 a complete overhaul with new bearings and powershaft . Take care ..Randy

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max adams

06-04-2005 18:49:59




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-04-2005 15:46:17  
I guess i love taking this old equipment and making work again. Especially when they tell me it can't be. Stubborn I guess. I think getting my 66 baler working was the most rewarding. But I too will upgrade a little at a time. I too love the old machinery. As far as heavy equipment I also agree with you on that as well. I move that as well and on occassion run it too. If not kept up like it should be it can be a pain. Oh by the way I am just about done with my 1st cutting!!!! YEEHAW!!!!! !

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Don-Wi

06-03-2005 22:31:10




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 17:29:14  
I'd imagine you know where a few good bone yards are in your parts, so go there for a cylinder. We can get them for about $25-35 depending on how they look. Last one we got was covered in grime, so they gave it to us for 25. Now it's all cleaned up, new hoses, and it works w/out any internal leaking. I think it's actually the best one on the farm!
Donovan from Wisconsin



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Randy-IA

06-04-2005 15:24:43




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Don-Wi, 06-03-2005 22:31:10  
Hi Don , You have a 1755 don't you ? I know you have a 1855 . What size cylinder do you use ? Another question ; If you use a smaller cylinder say 2" instead of 3" does it react quicker ? I know there's an adjustment on the tractor . I don't know how fast I want the sickle to move if that's the case . What would you suggest for diameter ? I do know that the 1755 owners manual suggests a 3-1/2" . A bit of overkill for a hundred pound sickle bar I think . Maybe tractor hydraulics don't work the same as industrial hydraulics . Stupid question ! Fluid dynamics are more or less universal .

Wasn't it you that was painting yuor tractor this winter and spring ? How'd that turn out ? I haven't been to the Oliver forum in a long while to keep up . Been to busy trying to get my other junk working properly . I think I'm close ! Let me know if you posted any pictures of your fresh tractor . I got mine running and it dyno'd at 76 hp . It was only an hour old at the time . Maybe it'll loosen up and make what it's supposed to . The tech said I was 100 rpm short to . Now I've got about 15 hours on it . I'll dyno it again later this summer . Take care ...Randy

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Don-Wi

06-04-2005 20:26:31




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-04-2005 15:24:43  
We do have a 1755, but the engine went out 2 years ago so that's why we got the 1855. I've been fixing that one the last day. Blew a hole in the coupler between the manifold and turbo, loosing power and bringing it down to maybe 1755 specs. Almost got it together now, hope to have it running by about 10 tomorrow morning. Keeping my fingers crossed.

The 1600 hasn't been touched in a while now, which really frustrates me but I've been extremely busy and so has my brother. I've got the engine in, but that's about it.


Now, back to your question. I think the cylinders we use are 3" bore. I've never used a sickle mower but keep in mind if you're gonna use it on anything else you may buy. Yes a smaller cylinder moves faster, as there's less room for the oil to fill causing it to push out the piston quicker. You also loose some lifting capacity w/ a smaller cylinder.

Best way to clean out the engine a little, is work it HARD. That's about all we do w/ our 1855. Plowin' and choppin', and our other spring tillage. You see all sorts of bits of carbon fly out the muffler.

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JeffK-MN

06-03-2005 19:43:58




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 17:29:14  
Randy you sure hit the mark. The first year I put up my own hay I had a lot of the same trouble you had but when it all works out it is a great feeling to set in the shed after the new hay is all put away and it starts to rain. Good luck and Great Job. Jeff



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Randy-IA

06-03-2005 20:26:48




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to JeffK-MN, 06-03-2005 19:43:58  
Hi Jeff , Thanks ! I don't know about hanging out in the barn when it starts to rain because I'm going to be exhausted from lifting bales up into the mow . At least till I get an elevator of some kind ( hay or grain it doesn't matter ) . That won't be for a month or so , hopefully before second cutting . Take care ...Randy



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Rich Iowa

06-03-2005 18:38:08




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 17:29:14  
Randy, that sounds like me last summer. First cutting took me 8 hours on a 5 acres field. Cutter bar had a big crown in it, hyd. cylinder wasn't raising the bar all the way up, tractor running like cr#p, mower kept plugging on me, and the field isn't square, little "S" shaped. After all that and messing with the baler, I was ready to do it all again. Now the bar is straightened, ledger plates, holddowns, wear plates replaced, tractor has new battery, 2/0ga. cables, plugs, wires. I am looking to get another tractor and possibly a mower conditioner. Don't mind doing mowing w/ 7'mower, but working 50-60hrs/ week, need to get the stuff done.
P.S. Randy, did you say you operate Heavy equip.? I allways wanted to try that, but can't find anybody that'll let me try it.

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Galen

06-04-2005 06:33:40




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Rich Iowa, 06-03-2005 18:38:08  
Rich -
I've got an older IH sickle bar mower with a bent bar (bananas in right where the bolt for holding it in the "travel" position is). Never used this mower, but would like to. How did you straighten the bar? How did you make sure it won't bend again?



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Rich Iowa

06-04-2005 11:30:11




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Galen, 06-04-2005 06:33:40  
Galen, that is where mine was bent. Was sitting outside for 15+ years before I got it, dad used it for a few years before that. Where are you located? I took mine down to Simon Welding in Winterset, Ia. They straightened it for $40 the first time, 2nd time I had it straightened cost me only $15. Depends on how long it takes to bend it. They used a 25Ton press. As far as keeping it straight, when I park it, I leave the bar down. When it is attached to the tractor overnight or a few days, I loop a chain around the top holddown (so as not to damage the teeth) when it's in the "travel" position. Wrap the other end around the frame of the mower and hook it to itself so that the chain is taunt and puts a little preasure on the bar the oppisite direction the bend was. After you get the bar straightened, make sure your safety trip is adjusted correctly. I didn't, that's why I had it straightened twice :)

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Randy-IA

06-03-2005 19:53:43




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Rich Iowa, 06-03-2005 18:38:08  
Hi Rich , I'm happy to hear that it's a rite of passage so to speak . I don't work quite as many hrs a week as you ( 45-48 ) but I have 17 dogs to take care of twice a day so my work day starts two hrs before I get to go where I get paid for my time and then in the afternoon it takes about another couple hours depending on how much play time I put in with them . Heavy equipment for me is cranes ( 90 ton truck type friction down to a 20 ton rough terrain hydraulic ) , a excavator (490 John Deere ) , semi's , dump truck , and a few smaller pieces like skid steer's and mini-ex's . Sorry , I'd let you come over and play on the equipment but it's not mine .

I didn't have a bent bar and I couldn't find #6 rivet's anywhere so I didn't change the ledger plates but I did put a couple of new bearings in it and all new wear plates and and hold downs and a new sickle . It cut great ! It was me that couldn't keep up with it ! Now I'm fretting the rain . I really don't want to lose any hay quality for my wifes horses ( 3 arab's , 1 appy and 1 mustang who's turning 25 this month ) . I'm supposed to go pick up a IH 990 next weekend . I think a 9 ft cut and windrow will keep me from driving on so much hay . Take care ...Randy

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Rich Iowa

06-04-2005 04:07:40




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 19:53:43  
My ledger plates were VERY worn on my mower when I got it, it seems to be cutting real good now. I'm looking at a JD 1219 moco, if I buy a bigger tractor. I don't think my old Farmall H is going to be able mow at any speed with that moco. Run my H 3-4 gear 3/4 throttle and does a good job. Don't worry about the corners, I leave a tuft of hay there also. Next, I have to work on the rake. Baler did a better job of picking up hay than the rake. I understand about the equip., hear that alot. Talked to the union apprenticeship cordinator and he said; "The only way you can try it is if you're accepted into our program." I'm not going to join the union program, find out I don't care for it, quit and have to pay the union a bunch of money. Ain't gonna happen.

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Randy-IA

06-04-2005 10:03:03




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Rich Iowa, 06-04-2005 04:07:40  
Hi Rich , How do you like your H ? Sometime this year or early next year I want to get a good H or M . Hopefully a super . I would prefer a SMTA but wouldn't we all ? Maybe not . After using the 3 speed on my 1755 I don't know if I could settle for stopping and down shifting . Wouldn't the limiting factor for that 1219 be that you don't have 1000 pto ? Or can they be run at 540 ? Seems like the HP would be OK for it ? You must be in a big union area ? We don't have any unions in this area ( I wish we did , then maybe I'd get a decent paycheck ! ) If you want to play on equipment maybe find a reason to rent a mini-exavator and do some digging on your property ? A small one here rents for about $200 a day . With a little push blade on the front they can do quite a bit of work in 8 hrs . Just a thought . Take care .... Randy

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Rich Iowa

06-04-2005 11:16:42




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-04-2005 10:03:03  
yeah, I'd like to find a Super MTA Diesel. I've looked at a couple Olivers w/ over/under and I liked them a lot. My H needs some work, but can be restored. The 1219 is run off of 540 PTO, but some had the optional 1000 PTO. I live about 20 min. from Des Moines, so there are a lot of union companies, might just have to go thru the yellow pages and bug some people. I deliver doors, windows, and lumber, so I see those big old CATs workin', looks like fun, except some of those slopes they operate on.

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Randy-IA

06-04-2005 16:41:01




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Rich Iowa, 06-04-2005 11:16:42  
Hi Rich , Good luck finding a SMDTA in Iowa ! There where only about 2800 built . SPENDY ! I've never operated a O/U shift Oliver just my Hydraul-shift ( 3-speed ) .

I want a smaller tractor to do this hay with . That way my wife will help some because she won't be as intimidated by the size of the tractor . She could run the baler while I stacked . I think a H or super H or M is what I want . Smaller but still heavier than the hay rack . I know where there's a 88 row crop with the side panels intact and straight for sale . That's also one I'm looking at since it has independent pto and factory power steering and a narrow front . Only issue is having to mount it from the rear . Not wild about the idea of climbing on next to a pto shaft .

The slopes are the fun part - ya need something to break up the monotony (sp) of pushing dirt ! I run a small dozer too ( 450 JD with a 6 way blade ) . I used to run a Fiat 11b , about the size of a d-8 or 9 with a straight blade . Good luck finding someone to let you work with their machines . There's got to be a non-union shop somewhere near you that you could hire on with . Digging basements or even landscapers use excavators of some size . How about tilers ? ( Field tiling ) Take care ...Randy

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Rich Iowa

06-04-2005 18:19:50




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-04-2005 16:41:01  
That's funny, I'm wanting to get a bigger tractor to make hay with. Then I can spend more money on bigger equip. My H will handle the bale (JD 14T) alone, not sure if there is enough weight to hold back a full rack of hay plus a baler going down hill. Yeah, getting off and on right next to the PTO shaft is a little stupid. When I get off with it running, I get over to the tire as much as I can and make sure I have a good foot hold before shifting my weight.
I don't mind a little grade, but I can't handle the 45deg. slopes. I suppose you get used to it after a while. Where abouts did you say you lived? I would think as an equip. oper. you'd be getting 50-60hr/wk. Next on my list is getting my CDL, class B at least. Due to their insurance, my place of employment won't let me drive their trucks til I'm 21, though I feel I can drive better than a few of the drivers there :) I think my supervisor would let me use one of the trucks to take the driving test. Rich

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Randy-IA

06-05-2005 13:05:02




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Rich Iowa, 06-04-2005 18:19:50  
Hi Rich , You may have missed my point . I think a person should be able to make a good living by working 40 hours a week . HAVING to work 50-60 a week to make a living .... !*&^!@# !! It doesn't leave much time to work around the farm or wherever . Also leaves me exhausted at the end of the week . Remember , I'm more than 25 years older than you ! I work for a small company , we have about 10 employees ( changes all the time ) I've been with them the longest ( 17yrs in July ) I'm a foreman or super or laborer or operator or anything that needs to be done at the moment . We sometimes build bridges , right now we're working on a wastwater plant and a jail , sometimes we rebuild swimming pools for small towns . We do whatever the owner bids on and wins . But I got to say that there are much better way's to make a living . Like Go To School !

And I guess I missed your point on the tractor thing . Your right about the weight issue , maybe I should do a little more thinking on it . OK I'm done . I'll just put the smaller tractor on the sickle and the rake and use the big tractor for the baler ! Maybe get a super h for the rake and a super m for the sickle ? I'm getting lazy in my old age , I got that idea from the farmer down the road , he has a tractor for every implement ! So he doesn't have to change them ! seriously ! He has about 10 large tractors , all shedded , all hooked to whatever they pull all the time . Then he has a 1655 OLI ( That looks like it's fresh off the showroom floor ) that he uses for the hay racks, grain carts and general chores because it's got a loader on it . Dreamer ! I live over by Clarksville . And you live near DM ? Not that far , about 1-1/2 hrs .

Good luck with the CDL ! Get the book from the DOT and study it . It helps . Better yet call the university and see if they offer a weekend driving course . It doesn't cost that much and they give you the driving test right there . If you're going to do it go ahead and take the air brake test . Doesn't cost a thing if you fail it . Most places won't let you drive till your 21 , sorry .

45 degees on a dozer isn't that bad . You have to do it at an angle to the slope . There is always the possibility that it'll slip sideways , but you have to use reason when you get on a piece of equipment . Experience helps a lot too ! Gravity doesn't EVER take a vacation . You can't cheat it . It'll win every time . You remember those three things while your on a dozer and you'll do fine . Same goes with any piece of equipment . It's mostly about how things like to go to the ground . ( gravity ) It's only our knowedge of physics that allow us to do the things we do with equipment . To be a good operator you have to understand some basic physics .( see above ) Figuring rollover points on a machine is a matter of more or less guessing the center of gravity of the machine . Some operator manuals show this in there specs . Cranes put it in their load charts . ( % of tipping ) Excavators put it in their capacity charts above ground line . I learned it over time by doing a lot of off-road driving in the mountains in a lifted 4-wheel drive Chevy yrs ago . If you've ever pulled to hard with your tractor and the front end came off the ground then you learned something . ( don't try it for fun , VERY dangerous ) Things happen very fast . And being able to anticipate what's going to happen next is mighty important , as is knowing what to do when it happens . So make whatever you do fun , just be safe too . Pushing the envelope a LITTLE at a time is how experience is learned . Pushing it A LOT is how pain is learned .
Been there - done that ! Still have the pain - though I also have the experience ---NOW . Good luck and take care ...Randy

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Rich Iowa

06-05-2005 20:10:05




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-05-2005 13:05:02  
Randy, most of my mom's side lives in the Allison-Bristow area, my mom was raised on a diary farm by Plainfield. Thinking I may move up that way someday. People are more laid back and nice up that way, not like the people down here by DM. I wouldn't mind working 40 hours, but I needed insurance and benefits and this place hired me. Do what ya gotta do I guess. The place I'm working at will help me get my CDL when I turn 21 for free, figured I'd wait till then, but getting real tired of doing everything a driver does, but for less money. I did go to college after HS, Ellsworth in Iowa Falls, took their masonry program, now I do that on the side too for a couple extra bucks. Have a good one, Rich

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Seth_ia

06-03-2005 20:46:56




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 19:53:43  
Yes the 990 cuts nine foot. You will never go back to a sickle mower once you have used a haybine. Better yet I could mow that 6 acres in an hour or less with my disc mower.



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Randy-IA

06-04-2005 16:46:17




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Seth_ia, 06-03-2005 20:46:56  
Hi Seth , Call me 319 240 2160 . Let's work out some details for next week ....Randy



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caseyc

06-03-2005 18:32:36




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 17:29:14  
make a pass up the center and work your way out. doesn't leave uncut stripes in the middle! congrats!

casey



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Randy-IA

06-03-2005 20:15:46




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to caseyc, 06-03-2005 18:32:36  
Hi Casey , The 415 did great ! I ended up putting a new pitman bearing housing ( the cast piece that the end of the pitman clamps onto and has two bearings in it , might have been one of the last NOS pieces around ) and bearings and pitman clamps on it also after I spent DAYS hammering the old guards into what I thought was the right position . But now I think I left them all to low in relation to the ledger in the inner shoe . But it works really good , I just hope that it's not twisting the drive head down on every stroke . I'm getting a IH 990 next week so if it turns out that I like it better I might have a sickle for sale . Heck , I even got to it with some paint and made it all shiney before it went to it's debut :.> . It runs so quiet I had to keep an eye on it to make sure it was still there ! That's when I'd veer off course and leave strip's . Thanks for the past help you've given me and I'm sure I'll need more in the future ! Take care ....Randy

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devildawg(tx)

06-03-2005 17:51:30




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to Randy-IA, 06-03-2005 17:29:14  
Randy, you're not the only one. This year is my first as well. My sickle mower is missing the cylinder too. The come-a-long is very very familiar. We bought the sickle mower with a tractor but are now using a haybine to cut with.I kept getting the sickle plugged or twisted when going around a corner. Good luck with the weather and for the rest of the field.



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Randy-IA

06-03-2005 20:43:41




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 Re: Hays been cut ! ( long post ) in reply to devildawg(tx), 06-03-2005 17:51:30  
Hi Devildawg , Don't you just love them come-alongs ? How often do you cut way down there ? What brand of conditioner do have ? NH ? I'm getting a INT 990 next weekend . I'm hoping I like it . I'm looking forward to beating more guards into place for day's on end ( NOT ) . I'll be getting a cylinder with it . So after doing some internal cleaning of it and if need be , rebuilding it , I'll have one to move from mower to rake to conditioner . If it fit's anything else . I might even build a movable hydraulic wagon hitch for the back of the baler :'} Take care ... Randy

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