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MikeoWI

06-01-2005 21:08:45




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I am looking for a good used baler that would allow me to make bales smaller than the regular size bale. Since I grew up on a potato farm, I have never had any experience with balers. What would you recommend as reliable and adjustable?




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Joe(TX)

06-03-2005 05:36:22




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to MikeoWI, 06-01-2005 21:08:45  
Are you talking about the standard 2 wire/string balers? There are also 3 wire bales which are a couple of inchs larger in cross section. I believe there are also some balers built with a smaller than standard cross section. I will have to look at my info again to be sure.



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paul

06-02-2005 08:50:20




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to MikeoWI, 06-01-2005 21:08:45  
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'smaller bales' - do you only mean shorter?

Get a good baler, JD or NH - if you are getting an older one. These 2 companies figured out knotter design first, & made many many balers with similar parts, easy to go to a dealer & get replacements off the shelf, easy to find mechanics who have worked on these machines before.

My NH 270 can make bales any length you want, down to a single push of material which depends on the size of the windrow - which would be silly, but anyhow.... All it takes is setting one little set-screw, simplest adjustment there can be....

The other brands of older balers can be fine, and sell cheaper, but you can have more difficulty getting them adjusted right, & parts can be more difficult to find. Then again you can get a good one & it will work fine for you. A bit more of a gamble tho is all.

If it were me, I'm partial to NH balers model 69 & up, but JD also has a good name with models 14T & up.... If you want more volume of bales or newer, NH & JD with a 3xx number are bigger better faster.

--->Paul

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MikeoWI

06-02-2005 16:45:20




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to paul, 06-02-2005 08:50:20  
Thanks Paul, I will be looking shortly and maybe even going to auctions. As stated in my followup to Don-WI, I have never owned or operated a baler in my life (almost 50), so it's all new to me. I am trying to find something reasonable that I can rely on.



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paul

06-03-2005 05:39:44




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to MikeoWI, 06-02-2005 16:45:20  
As long as I don't start a color war. You want a baler that ties good knots, as that is the biggest frustration with a baler. Too worn out & it will take $$$ or work poorly no matter what color it is. In good shape, your odds are better of getting good unit if it is Red/Yellow or Gren/Yellow. Not that everything else is 100% trash, but it's a little like Vegas - which set of odds do you want to play? :)

I'm near your age, and for all my years there has been one square baler on this farm, producing 2000 - 6000 bales each year. Dad & now I have put _very_ few parts into the old gal, a NH 270. About the worst was when the chain broke, dad put it together & never thought of the timing issue - broken needles - our fault.

I been following the back end of that baler for 3/4 of my life, only square one I know!

--->Paul

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txgrn

06-02-2005 06:28:55




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to MikeoWI, 06-01-2005 21:08:45  
I have a sale pending on a Hesston 5580 round baler. Dunno if you are talking about square or round. My round baler is a manual tie machine and you can stop rollin and start tiein any time you want.

On a square baler, just shorten the tie arm linkage stop and bale whatever size bale you want.

Mark



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Bkeepr

06-02-2005 04:16:34




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to MikeoWI, 06-01-2005 21:08:45  
I've had two Massey Ferguson 10s, and the bale length was easily adjustable on them. I found them to be fairly unreliable, though, and around here at least parts were hard to get.

I have an old New Holland 66 now, paid $110 for it and it has been very reliable for me for 3 seasons now. Bale length is not as adjustable as the MF, but can be done.

I make 30" long bales, the shortest it'll make, but I also make them lighter than normal because my wife is a little gal and dense bales almost outweigh her. I can produce 22 lb bales that are dense enough to stack a mile high, but light enough for anybody to handle.

Tom A

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Don-Wi

06-01-2005 21:57:43




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to MikeoWI, 06-01-2005 21:08:45  
We've got a Massey # 12, can adjust the length real easy on them. It's just a set screw and a collar on the arm that trips the knotter. after tyeing the bale, the arm drops back down and goes as far as the collar allows. The 12's are a very reliable machine. The #3 and 10 I've heard plenty of people complain about.
Donovan from Wisconsin

by the way, those weights look really nice now that I've got them painted

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MikeoWI

06-02-2005 07:41:09




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to Don-Wi, 06-01-2005 21:57:43  
One more question, I did find my old Hot Line Farm Equipment Guide from 1998 but it did not list any Massey Ferguson 12 balers. It started with a MF5 and then went to a 3 digit number like MF120, MF124T, MF124W, MF126, MF128, MF130 etc. I am missing something or is my book incomplete. I may have to pay you a vist to see this baler in action. I have never run or seen a baler work.



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Gerald J.

06-02-2005 08:06:34




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to MikeoWI, 06-02-2005 07:41:09  
Your book is missing numbers. It only reflects what sold that year at a dealer or auction they monitored.

I baled thousands of bales with the MF-12 that I use to own.

Knotter adjustments can be particular in any baler. Sometimes changing brands of twine improves tying.

Besides bale length, you can adjust the bale compression pressure to change the bale density.

The MF-120 is probably the next thing in the MF line after the MF-12.

Base your selection on local dealer service.

Be aware that a baler can hurt you big time if you get too close while its running.

Over the years, I've seen more NH baler owners happy than others.

Gerald J.

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MikeoWI

06-02-2005 16:41:47




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to Gerald J., 06-02-2005 08:06:34  
Thanks for the response. I have also heard that the NH baler is the one I should look at. Any idea as to a good reliable and reasonable model to look at keeping in mind my need to make smaller more compacted bales.



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MikeoWI

06-02-2005 07:31:33




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to Don-Wi, 06-01-2005 21:57:43  
I'd like to see a picture or two of your 1855 when you get a chance. My latest project has been to bring my dad's old 8N back to life. As for the Massey 12 baler, it sounds like you are very happy with it. Do you know what year it was made and what one may run if I were to put a "baler wanted" ad out there? Also, any thing to watch for in a used baler? Thanks again and I really enjoyed the pics of your 1650 being rebuilt.

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Don-Wi

06-02-2005 19:20:34




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to MikeoWI, 06-02-2005 07:31:33  
At auction 2 months ago I saw 2 12's go for sale, one was really clean/shedded, went for about $300. the other one was supposed to be his "parts" machine, he bought it for $40 but at his estate sale it went for $225 Talk about a profit! Most things went really high that day, but we still got a gravity box for $110, a kools blower for $35, and a 16' glencoe for $210, one bid each.

The 12's were made for a number of years, I'd guess early 60's until atleats the mid 70's. All the ones I've seen exept ours has round decals on it like the 135-180's, where as ours is a later model and has square decals on it. Ours does have a bad bearing behind the timeing gear. It hasn't affected the performance yet, but it really should be replaced some day.

I'd just scan the Wis. farmer classifieds, I ussually see a few balers in there of all brands. the 120 and 124 are descendents of the 12, so they are also good balers, and a bit newer. I've never personally used a NH baler, but I've heard quite a few people complaining about "banana bales" that dont stack. JD are good, but you're paying more for the paint than the machine is worth. I used to drive for a relative baling hay w/ a 336 JD. Good baler, made tight bales, but if the hay was laid down, mower didn't pick it up and you drove against the grain the pick-up belt would constantly slip, making for a long day. Simple answer is don't go against the grain!

Ours makes good, heavy, square bales w/ a clean cut edge, and we NEVER sharpen that knife in there, and have never had to adjust it. Also has a chain drive pick-up.
Donovan from Wisconsin

P.S.-We plan to bale next weekend if you wanna help!

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Bkeepr

06-02-2005 07:45:46




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to MikeoWI, 06-02-2005 07:31:33  
Mike:

I bale with an 8N, that's what I drove the MF 10s with. They were both PTO balers, and I had knotter problems. I am not certain, but some of the knotting problems may have been due to the fact that I couldn't keep a really constant PTO speed with the 8N while baling. My New Holland has a separate engine on it, so all my 8N has to do is pull the baler (at 2,500 lbs, it weighs more than the tractor so even that is a big deal!)

So I'd suggest that no matter what you get, you consider getting a baler with its own engine. I was told the old MF 10s came with engines, but they're pretty rare.

good luck,
Bkeepr

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MikeoWI

06-02-2005 16:39:16




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 Re: used baler questions in reply to Bkeepr, 06-02-2005 07:45:46  
I was going to shy away from the engine driven baler at this time. I have more than enough 100hp
tractors (All Olivers) which should run a baler without any problems. Thanks for the response



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