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JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10

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Rich Iowa

05-29-2005 15:43:34

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I know I just finished working on my IH 37 sickle mower, but I looked at a couple moco over the past couple days. The JD 1219 look good. I saw no cracks on the gear box frame, sickle looked good, guy said the knife drive was rebuilt a few years ago. The top roller has only 1/3 of the rubber on it, while the bottom one is complete. The guy said it still crimps pretty well w/o the rubber. He's asking $1000. The Hesston PT-10 is going to be in an auction in a couple weeks. It has been repainted, but not real well. The sickle looked good as did the rollers. Tires looked good on both machines. Which one might be the best deal? I'm looking at getting an Oliver 1650, but if I don't get the Oliver, would a Farmall H handle either machine? Both have 2-way hyd. cylinders on them, Can I use a single acting cylinder I have in place of the 2-way? What about using a single acting with a tractor that has 2-way remotes?

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Leland

05-30-2005 20:54:30

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-29-2005 15:43:34

used a 1219 deere on several hundred acres and never had problem 1 infact with a 1070 case I could mow in 9th gear all day long and never plugged it once that I can remember.

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Leland

05-30-2005 20:54:14

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-29-2005 15:43:34

used a 1219 deere on several hundred acres and never had problem 1 infact with a 1070 case I could mow in 9th gear all day long and never plugged it once that I can remember.

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Joe in IN

05-30-2005 20:07:42

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-29-2005 15:43:34

I am using a borrowed PT10. Cut about 3 acres and spent more time off the tractor than on(unplugging). It was very thick/tall alflafa and there was a little moisture at cutting height.

I will be buying green when I get the money....

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joe(TX)

05-30-2005 18:40:21

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-29-2005 15:43:34

I agree with the post about the PT10 being prone to plug, especialy on high moisture stuff.
The later ones used a u joint type pitman and is more reliable than the older ball and socket type. I have used an Early PT10 for 13 years. You have to make sure the pitman stays tight or it will start breaking expensive parts.
The JD cutters will feed better but I have heard you have to watch the sickle drive.

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Gerald J.

05-30-2005 20:54:10

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to joe(TX), 05-30-2005 18:40:21

My PT-10 has the u-joint pitman and I've rebuilt the pivot, new shaft and bearings. New main belt too.

I found the clogging was due to the right most mower guard needing a shim (shows in the parts book) to keep it tight against the sickle. When I fixed that it stopped clogging and I was mowing alfalfa as tall as the MF-135 tractor at 6 mph which took all the power the tractor had.

The 1209 or 1219 will mow circles around the PT-10 but it lays a sloppy windrow because it rides so tail high. The PT-10 lays a carpet with sharp edges that looks better. I doubt it dries better, though the last I mowed I set the sides out as far as possible to make as wide a windrow as I could. That dried a day faster, consistently.

Finding replacement rollers for any mower conditioner seems to be a nightmare terminated by a huge price tag. Generally more than the price of a used working mower conditioner with an adequate roller.

The single acting cylinder closes all the way (I used the same 3x8 cylinder just replaced the return nose with a vent cap) just like the double acting cylinder did and then lays flat on the PT-10 frame. And there's only ONE hose to come loose and drag in the dirt.

Gerald J.

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Joe(TX)

05-31-2005 09:53:37

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Gerald J., 05-30-2005 20:54:10

How could that work? If you shim the guard, it would move it away from the sickle. The reason the cutter plugs is the heavy stuff falls on the cross beam behind the roller and gets between the beam and roller. That builds up and blocks the outflow from the rollers.

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Gerald J.

05-31-2005 10:31:05

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Joe(TX), 05-31-2005 09:53:37

Without a tapered shim on the last guard, it hangs down a bit and doesn't cut. Never plugged the rollers that I remember, the hay shoots out when they are set right and the belt isn't slipping.

Gerald J.

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bucksdeere

05-30-2005 17:58:07

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-29-2005 15:43:34

I have a JD 1209 everything is good on it except
the front reel. If you are looking for any parts let me know. I have had it for 20 years. They are
a good moore.
I am located in north east Wisconsin.
A Farmall H is not going to work the hyd. or
pull either very well. You are going to want a
bigger tractor first.
Buck

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Jim In Michigan

05-31-2005 06:35:47

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to bucksdeere, 05-30-2005 17:58:07

Buck,, I pull a Case 555 (same as a Heston PT10) with my H every year, no trouble with hydraulics or power.. I pull in 3rd or 4th depending on the field, I have used this combination for over 10 years with no troubles, I mounted a hyd valve on mine and it works great,,, Jim

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Rich Iowa

05-30-2005 18:28:06

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to bucksdeere, 05-30-2005 17:58:07

Thanks for the offer on parts. If I get it I'll let ya know. I'm looking at an Oliver 1650 sometime soon. That'll have plenty of power for it.

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j cook (iowa)

05-30-2005 16:11:02

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-29-2005 15:43:34

Having experience with both types of moco, I replaced a CASE 555 (PT10) with a John Deere 1209 (late one, just about the same as a 1219) and as I recall, the 555/PT10 spent a lot of time getting itself clogged. It did an indefferent job of mowing, it was better for example, than the old JD #5 mower we used before that, but the 555/PT10 can't hold a candle to the quality of job that the 1209 does. The 555/PT10 also spent a lot of time needing repairs, unlike the 1209 whic has needed new sickle sections occasionally---and that's it!

Buy the 1219. If you want something red, buy a NH 479 or 488. They are good too! IMO, the PT10 will have lots of problems, due in part to it's age and also, because it wasn't the best design of it's time either.

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Rich Iowa

05-30-2005 16:48:23

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to j cook (iowa), 05-30-2005 16:11:02

I've been thinking this weekend about the two mowers and I am leaning toward the 1219, mainly because the dealer is 12 miles away amd should be able to get allmost every part for it. The one thing I'm not liking about the JD is 2/3 of the rubber on the top roller is gone. I've heard these cost quite a bit, something like $1100 each. Is that true? Is there something else I could put on the roller or would I need to cut the rest of the rubber off and run it with a smooth metal roller on top and the good roller on bottom.

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Bob in Wi

05-29-2005 19:35:28

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-29-2005 15:43:34

We used pt-10 s' for years. And a neighbor had a case 555 witch is a pt-10. Our troubles were a gearbox went out. bad seal, no one checked the oil? and normal scicle stuff. I have been told the pt-10 had a bad pitmin system. Don't know? as far as power needed i've head of people using a wd-45 so it may work.

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Leroy

05-30-2005 14:50:02

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Bob in Wi, 05-29-2005 19:35:28

We used the Case version behind a 41 Farmal H with single acting cylinder

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Sid

05-29-2005 19:35:18

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-29-2005 15:43:34

I have a PT-10, I have no complaints except it will not take thinck fecsue as well as I like. The advantage as I see it on the two way cylinder you are retracting the cylinder away from the lift linkage wich allows for more float ability for the header.

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Gerald J.

05-29-2005 16:55:12

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-29-2005 15:43:34

I'd like to sell you my PT-10. Could use paint and one tire but the sickle hasn't done more than a few hundred acres at the most.

There is no benefit to the PT-10 to use a double acting cylinder. The connection to the PT-10 guarantees it can only push, when the double acting cylinder pulls the connections slide away from the PT-10.

I'm in central Iowa.

The 1219 needs both rollers to crimp well, but is a better mower conditioner than the PT-10.

I've been using single acting cylinders on my MF-150 and my JD 4020 with no probems.

Gerald J.

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Rich Iowa

05-29-2005 16:58:09

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Gerald J., 05-29-2005 16:55:12

Gerald, where are you located? You aren't NE of Indianola by chance, are you? How much are you asking for you're PT-10?

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Gerald J.

05-29-2005 19:23:19

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-29-2005 16:58:09

My pt-10 is just NE of Ames. About 200'.

I'd like $750 but I'll listen to offers.

Gerald J.

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Rich Iowa

05-30-2005 04:49:08

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Gerald J., 05-29-2005 19:23:19

If I was living up by my cusions, I'd be real interested. They live in Butler Co. Allison, Bristow area.

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Larry NE IL

05-30-2005 19:45:12

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Re: JD 1219 or Hesston PT-10 in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-30-2005 04:49:08

I use a PT-10, and it works great for me. Then again, I'm down to about 22 acres of alfalfa. They do plug in heavy or wet stuff, but I just slide out to about 2/3 of a cut. Plugs are no fun, had 3 this cutting and my arms are full of "puncture wounds"!
I'd say it depended on how many acres your planning to do. If less than 30 or so, either will work fine. If you've got 100 lined up, I'd pass on the PT-10 and probably the JD also with the bad roller.

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