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Operating a Haybine

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John/Pa

05-26-2005 18:21:54




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I recently aquired a 477 NH Haybine. My question is about lowering the header. Mine will drop down and set on the shoes. Then the back of the header tilts up and the front tilts down. It seems to level the cutter bar when it does this. Is this the way you run it? I know to adjust the shoes to set the height of the bar. Thanks!




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ford major

05-27-2005 05:03:18




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 Re: Operating a Haybine in reply to John/Pa, 05-26-2005 18:21:54  
check the bars that attach the header to the main frame if bent they can cause the header to angle down. we just straighten and reinforce rather than replace



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Sid

05-26-2005 19:52:15




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 Re: Operating a Haybine in reply to John/Pa, 05-26-2005 18:21:54  
I would say yes if you want to cut close. Our old NH had a rod that you could pull a pin and let this rod drop and it would catch and stop the heasder from doing that last little tip. Then your guards would not be as likely to dig in. The problem we had with raising or blocking the cylinder was you would lose some of the float in you header.



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John/Pa

05-27-2005 02:59:13




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 Re: Operating a Haybine in reply to Sid, 05-26-2005 19:52:15  
You are right Sid. That last little tip does point the tips closer to the ground. Would prefer them up a little so the rounded bottom of the guard is more exposed. Don't have the rod you mentioned. Only has the transport rod. Was thinking about using the stops you put around the cylinder shaft. Thanks!



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txgrn

05-26-2005 19:07:03




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 Re: Operating a Haybine in reply to John/Pa, 05-26-2005 18:21:54  
Once you dump the cylinder, the balance is really between the shoes and tongue. The tires are on springs. A higher drawbar would tend to raise the guides, but they are built to ride up and over things.

Biggest problem is where the field is not level, like you plowed the field and the cultivator left furrows in the same direction you are cutting, and the shoes are not riding the ridge.

Then the sickle starts "plowing" and it is real hard on it. Thing to do there is to slightly raise the machine (cylinder) to get the guide bars outta da dirt.

Spring tension should be set so there is about 50 to 100 # of force per shoe on the ground when the cylinder is all the way down (check with bathroom scale). To much and you plow, to little and it hops over bumps and leaves an uneven cut.....I take it on the light side....it doesn't hop that far and helps on any furrows encountered.

Of all the things I do with my tractor, sitting in an open cockpit and watching the cutter whack down 4-5' haygrazer is at the top of the list. #2 is watching a perfect round bale hit the ground (seldom) and #3 is smelling and watching fresh dirt roll.

Mark

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txgrn

05-26-2005 19:06:32




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 Re: Operating a Haybine in reply to John/Pa, 05-26-2005 18:21:54  
Once you dump the cylinder, the balance is really between the shoes and tongue. The tires are on springs. A higher drawbar would tend to raise the guides, but they are built to ride up and over things.

Biggest problem is where the field is not level, like you plowed the field and the cultivator left furrows in the same direction you are cutting, and the shoes are not riding the ridge.

Then the sickle starts "plowing" and it is real hard on it. Thing to do there is to slightly raise the machine (cylinder) to get the guide bars outta da dirt.

Spring tension should be set so there is about 50 to 100 # of force per shoe on the ground when the cylinder is all the way down (check with bathroom scale). To much and you plow, to little and it hops over bumps and leaves an uneven cut.....I take it on the light side....it doesn't hop that far and helps on any furrows encountered.

Of all the things I do with my tractor, sitting in an open cockpit and watching the cutter whack down 4-5' haygrazer is at the top of the list. #2 is watching a perfect round bale hit the ground (seldom) and #3 is smelling and watching fresh dirt roll.

Mark

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John/Pa

05-27-2005 03:09:58




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 Re: Operating a Haybine in reply to txgrn, 05-26-2005 19:06:32  
My fields are pretty smooth, except for the groundhog holes,,,and the occasional rock. But I know where they are and am usually able to avoid a collision. I think I will try some stops on the cylinder rod. Do you have any trouble getting 4' material thru your machine? No wrapping on the rolls?
I also enjoy the things you do, except I don't plow anymore. On top of my list is picking corn with my Uni, purple Nov. sunset in the west, a good size buck watching from the cornfield, and enjoying a good cigar while all this takes place!! John

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txgrn

05-28-2005 17:00:03




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 Re: Operating a Haybine in reply to John/Pa, 05-27-2005 03:09:58  
John,

1. Rocks (smaller than several inches) are no problem unless the rake fingers can lift them up to get them into the rollers which I doubt.

2. My 1209 has a hydraulic positioner which I think is super over the manual device which was on my NH 489. Also like the open drive shaft of the 1209 vs the enclosed NH. I use about 2" of spacers to align the MoCo along side my 4010 Deere which is the tractor I use for cutting. The Deere is open station with an umbrella. With the Deere wrap around seat and high position, it is perfect for the job. I usually sit sideways with my feet crossed. Yeah I know if I have a problem, I need to be really quick to get my feet untangled and onto the clutch.

3. Doesn't matter how tall the material is; it cuts and crimps.....have cut over 6' with no problem. Wrapping on the rolls would be caused by either loose rubber snagging the crop on a worn roller, or material too wet.....like you started cutting too early in the morning.

4. Don't have any corn nor deer. Enjoyed sunsets when out west in the service. Here trees block the last 30 min.

5. Used to smoke and inhaling a good cigar was tops on the list. Gave it all up and haven't touched it since 1988 when I bought a new p/u truck and didn't want to stink it up. Afraid to touch tobacco now as I feel it would only take one to get me hooked again..... but I think about it and would love to indulge. Have one for me too. Grin.

Thanks,

Mark
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