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Getting ground ready for rows. (really long post)

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Mike in Houston

05-26-2005 10:18:09




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All,
I'm thinking about getting some ground ready for planting corn next year and am looking for advice on getting it ready. I've got 40 acres and would like to plant about half~ of it. I do not farm for a living and this is something I just want to do so call me a "farmer-want-to-be". I know there'll be no money in it and all the real farmers I talk to in my area just look at me like I'm crazy and ask, "Now why do you want to try and do that". They all know I've got a job and don't farm so... they're not much help.

First step I'm working on now is a pH check and soil samples for fertilizer so let's look ahead at step 2.

It's currently old pasture so I'm thinking get a four bottom plow to break it up or think I could do a good enough job with a disc?

Either way I'll disc for sure. OK, now let's say I've got broken/loose ground. Everyone in my area works their rows in the fall (hipper, lister which ever you call it). Here's where my delima begins. I want to grow this stuff for a combine. The combines used out there are 8 row. I know I won't be using a 8 row lister/hipper, probably a four row, so looking for tricks/tips to keeping the rows at let's say, 40" or whatever spacing, so they match up with the combine. What I'm talking about is for instance, I'm headed East listing/hipping four rows then I turn around and now I'm headed West. How do I keep the distance between swipes at 40". Do I overhang onto the swipe I just completed and do one row twice thus adding three rows with each swipe?
Hope this makes sense.
Thanks,
Mike
Any ideas/tricks of the trade?

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Mike in Houston

05-27-2005 07:26:58




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 Re: Getting ground ready for rows. (really long po in reply to Mike in Houston, 05-26-2005 10:18:09  
Thanks for the replys guys.

Johnathan, I actually live South of Rosenberg and I'm thinking Edna is between me and Victoria?

Paul,
I was putting the Southern terminology out there a bit heavy. I'm originally from North Louisiana and still use the "talk" from up there. That maybe why these Texas farmers look at so strange. That's the answer, I need an interpreter! Just kiddin.
Wish I did have you nearby to question but you're a long way from Texas. I've read many of your posts and can tell you're quite knowledgeable. (Compliment intended with the last two statements)

Thanks again everyone. This board is the greatest!

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paul

05-26-2005 21:55:38




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 Re: Getting ground ready for rows. (really long po in reply to Mike in Houston, 05-26-2005 10:18:09  
I can help you if you are doing this in MN - you are using all the southern terms, so that"s why the new neighbors are lookin" at you. ;) You are talkin" goofy. :)

If you are doing this in Tx, then I"ll keep quiet, as I"m not so familiar with what they do there.

--->Paul



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pbutler

05-26-2005 14:09:23




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 Re: Getting ground ready for rows. (really long po in reply to Mike in Houston, 05-26-2005 10:18:09  
Mike,

Definately start with the soil tests. Planting corn isn't cheap-as you are probably learning but with 20 acres no great risk. Up to you if you want to look into crop insurance-I personally insure myself to break even-takes some profit away in the good years but I sleep better that way.

I would work (disk/plow) the ground early in the fall (not real familar with how things done there since I am from IL) and give it time to mellow out and work down to seedbed in the spring. It can get wet here and we can't work in winter-again may not apply to you.

I wouln't worry about 4-row/8-row thing, with only 20 acres just be careful and drive slow-better stand that way anyway. Be sure and put at least 16 end rows-probably better to have 24.

I would find someone experienced in your area to get some help on choosing a good hybrid for your ground-behind fertility and weather hybrid choice can make one of the biggest differences.

Good luck, you should have a lot of fun!

Paul

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Jonathan Anders

05-26-2005 11:02:48




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 Re: Getting ground ready for rows. (really long po in reply to Mike in Houston, 05-26-2005 10:18:09  
Mike,
I am from Edna down the road from you. I grew up on a farm and can tell you how we used to do it. First off to break out your pasture, disk once, plow, then disk again as to leave the best soil finish. Then to lay off the rows, do it just as you described. Make one pass, then overlap your hipper half way and lay off two rows at a time. That will ensure even spacing across your 20 acres. Heck, we used to plow 6 rows, plant 8 rows, and combine seven, and pick four (cotton). If a person takes time and care when laying off rows, if planted and cultivated to four rows, one of your 8-row neighbors could combine it and not even pull the stalks sideways with the header. Good luck with it.

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JMS/MN

05-26-2005 10:39:28




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 Re: Getting ground ready for rows. (really long po in reply to Mike in Houston, 05-26-2005 10:18:09  
OK- we're a half-country apart, but the basics still apply. Soil testing now, and especially for ph, is a good idea, since if you need lime it is best to apply a year early. You don't mention what size tractor you have to pull a four-bottom plow, but ask if discing is enough. Terminology time: Primary tillage is the first job you do for tillage after harvesting the previous crop. Can use a moldboard plow, chisel plow, disc plow (not too common), or what is called a plowing disc or heavy offset disc. Chisel plow might be called conservation tillage, but is still a first pass after a previous crop. No-till is also an option on the right soil types and weather conditions. We don't see much of that here because of soil types and cold spring conditions. Ridge-till is an option on some local acres, could be more popular farther south of us. First pass after primary tillage is secondary tillage- usually a tandem disc or field cultivator. Here we do primary tillage if possible in the fall, first secondary tillage in the spring, apply fert and herb, second secondary tillage pass, and then plant. You might want to work into this process slowly, with assistance from your farmer neighbors by hiring some of the jobs done. Might be surprised how willing they are to help you get going. Ask them to show you things when they are not so busy-smaller operators are more likely to help you than the ones who run half the county. Ask to ride along to watch how they operate. Typical farmer will be flattered with the interest. We don't use listers here- they are common in lower rainfall areas. But like planters, they are likely to be equipped with markers on each side of the machine that leave a groove in the field that you use to guide the tractor on the next pass- generally centered on the tractor.

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