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Drying hay ?

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Randy-IA

05-22-2005 17:51:14




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Hi , In the "short hay" post I asked how to tell when the hay was dry enough to bale . I remember last year someone said that without a moisture meter that you could weigh out a sample , microwave it for a time and weigh it again to determine the amount of moisture . I understand how to do that , but I don't have a microwave in the tractor ! ;'} Someone else suggested that you take a good handful and twist it hard . This I'm not understanding . How does this tell anything ? My wife is scared to put the hay in the barn as it is so I need to reassure her that it won't burn up her horses . Right now the haymow hasn't had anything in it for over 17 years . Except racoons (SP?} . At most I expect between 700-900 bales in the barn at any time so air movement shouldn't be a problem . The barn is a Amish built peg and tennon barn about 40' x 80' . The mow is about 25' high at the peak and 12' at the side . Anyway , how can I tell if it's dry enough ? Thanks again ...Randy

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Mike (WA)

05-23-2005 12:34:34




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 Re: Drying hay ? in reply to Randy-IA, 05-22-2005 17:51:14  
The twist method works as follows: Grab a handful of hay with both hands (enough hay so when you grip it, your forefinger just touches your thumb). With your hands about an inch apart, work your hands like you're riding a tiny bicycle using your hands on the pedals. As you do the revolutions, more and more hay stems will break. If you end up with all the stems broken after 7 revolutions, (that is, now you have two handfuls of hay, not connected to each other), its ready to go. Also, the hay should rustle when you stir it around with your hands in the windrow, and check for weight of good tight bale. Also, hay that is too wet is not "springy" in the bale- it'll feel like a big lump, with the strings kind of loose. Finally, if you're not sure and want to make sure you don't lose the barn, leave some spaces between the bales when you stack (sounds like you've got plenty of room in the barn), and throw some rock salt around on each layer.

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thurlow

05-23-2005 11:16:00




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 Re: Drying hay ? in reply to Randy-IA, 05-22-2005 17:51:14  
Surely you're not the only one in the community who bales hay? Ask a (older or more experienced) neighbor to check it for you. I'm not discounting the microwave or moisture meter techniques mentioned below, but we're not talking nuclear physics here; you just need a little experience..... ..... .



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Hayman

05-23-2005 12:14:03




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 visited a nieghbor or two in reply to thurlow, 05-23-2005 11:16:00  
and see how they do it. Every region and climate haying is a bit different.

When we get the rains we bale up 30-40,000 square bales yearly and we've never used any type of moisture tester. I've thought about getting a moisture tester probe for round bales but I don't make them very often.

I just do the old grab twist and feel method. Then if its close the best test it the baler. I make a round and check the feel and wieght of the bales. An added bonus of square bales in checking moisture and density. Once you know your baler you get a good idea of how much moisture your bales are packing. Up here 1st cut hay has to be baled drier then 2nd cut hay which comes off before winter sets in.

We use a balewagon that makes 160 bale stacks. So you have to be careful on moisture of the hay.
Where as if you hand pick and or stack you can sort the hay out. Setting the damper bales in one area and the drier ones in another.

You can bale hay pretty tough and it will keep if you spread the tougher out bales in a shed so they can dry out over a couple weeks.


I've heard of the microwave method from guys who sell hay for export where it gets compacted etc. In this case the hay has to be very dry. Drier then it would have to be normally. I think the plants want the hay at 12% moisture. Where as it will keep in a bale fine at 15-16%.

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Vince H

05-23-2005 05:18:24




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 Re: Drying hay ? in reply to Randy-IA, 05-22-2005 17:51:14  
Another way is to put some loose in the hay mow and take the wife for a little roll in it. If you come out scratched up and itchy it's dry enough. ;) Just kidding, but like others have said I try bending it. If it breaks it's dry if it bends it's still too wet. With a little experience you'll actually be able to tell pretty well by color. As it dries it'll brown up a little more and the green will become duller. While it's still wet it'll be a brighter green still.

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msb

05-22-2005 21:12:42




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 Re: Drying hay ? in reply to Randy-IA, 05-22-2005 17:51:14  
I take an average size stem and bent it.If if snaps or breaks then get the baler rolling.If it bends and doesn't break any fibers and still has a waxy feel to the stem then go have a nice cold lemonade and sit in the shade for an hour.
An insurance adjuster once said of all the barn fires he had investigated it was where new hay was stored touching old hay, so I never made that mistake.Always left a foot between the new and old hay.

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old

05-22-2005 18:32:31




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 Re: Drying hay ? in reply to Randy-IA, 05-22-2005 17:51:14  
I have always been told that when you pick it up and shake it if it rattles its dry enough to bale. Been doing that for 20 plus years and have never had a problem. Also it does depend on if your doing square or round bales. Squares need to be a little dryer then round ones. Since your doing round ones if the hay seems a little to wet don't bale it. But if to dry you can loose leaf matter also.



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Gerald J.

05-22-2005 18:18:14




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 Re: Drying hay ? in reply to Randy-IA, 05-22-2005 17:51:14  
Take that sample to the kitchen. Test it by feel, then twist, then dry it in the microwave. The feel changes distinctly when its dry enough to bale, both the clamminess (tends to feed dry instead of damp), it breaks more than it twists (wet hay is "tough" feeling), and the post microwave weight shows its dry. Or buy a hay moisture meter from a farm store.

If it heats in the bales, open them up and salt them thoroughly.


Gerald J.

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edchainsaw

05-22-2005 20:59:49




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 Re: Drying hay ? in reply to Gerald J., 05-22-2005 18:18:14  
well if its a bright green it might be to wet.
but twisting and listening for a crinckle.

if you were baling small squares I would use the old tricks I was taught as a child

put the cut edge down and use salt and stack loosely.



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Randy-IA

05-23-2005 20:32:08




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 Re: Drying hay ? in reply to edchainsaw, 05-22-2005 20:59:49  
HI everyone , Thanks for the reassurances ! I buy hay all the time so I know what it's supposed to feel like , I just never gave it much thought as to how it got to that point . DUH ! I threw hay as a kid in Georgia on my grandparents farm . Loaded , unloaded and stacked . The last time I did that was 34 years ago .


Mike , Thanks for tip . I'll try it when we get some cut .

Thurlow , I'm not from Iowa and am treated sort of as an outcast here . I barely know my neighbors and I've lived next to them for 17 years . I don't even know the name of the closest one to the west about 1/2 mile down the road . Part of it is I work most of the time and when I'm not I don't get very sociable because I don't go to bars and I don't hunt or fish . That is a good suggestion but around " here " it doesn't work for me .

Hayman , Thanks . Does hay change the way it smells as it dries ? Seems I remember my great uncle always putting his face in it . Maybe he just liked the way it smelled ? I dunno .

Vince , For some reason I like your method the best ! I'll offer that thought to my wife . I think I'm worrying to much so this might be the perfect way to relax ! Thanks ! Oh yeah , Thanks for the bending tip too , it sounds like picking asparagus .

Msb , Why is that ? Did he say ? Thanks for the tip .

Hi old , I found a bone yard with all the parts I need . I enjoyed the talk . I looked at a map and realized how much I have forgotten about Mo. after not living there for over 20 years . You're no where near where I used to 4 wheel . Thanks for the information .

Gerald J , I'll bet the horses would love it , The salty hay that is . I hope it doesn't come to that . That's why I'm picking your collective brains . Thanks .

Edchainsaw , That's the way I was taught to stack hay as a kid . on edge . With air tunnels built in . We had a blast crawling through those looking for snakes and other critters . I had two rattlesnakes as pets in Georgia about when I was ten . One was a diamondback about 3 feet long . If I only knew then what I know now ! But I survived . Anyway , Stacking that way is a pain in the a** ! But it works . Thanks

Thanks everyone ....Randy

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