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TimWafer

05-22-2005 16:49:51




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I�ve been picking rocks using my Skidsteer. I get the skidsteer just crawling across the field and get out and pitch rocks in the bucket as it goes. I�m working alone and its slooooow going. I�m looking for an easier and faster way. Eventually I would like to find a used rock picker of some sort reasonably priced but for now I just want to get it done. I have an 8 foot 3 point York rake. I was thinking of removing every other tooth and trying that. Anybody ever done this and if so how well did it work?
I might be able to borrow another skidsteer with a rock hound type power rake. I�ve used these putting in lawns but wonder how well it would work in a field. Id like to remove rocks from 3� to 24�. I�ve already removed the mattress-sized stones. Tim

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buickanddeere

05-23-2005 14:03:38




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to TimWafer, 05-22-2005 16:49:51  
I agree with Rod. If you don't get run over,dragged or jammed between the tires/frame. Then you may fall and raise the boom while out of the seat. The hydraulics are very efficient at shearing or crushing. They will find you where ever the skid steer wanders off to and stops. About all you can do is get the chunks off the top. And press the smaller ones down with a roller.



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TimWafer

05-23-2005 15:14:10




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to buickanddeere, 05-23-2005 14:03:38  
They dont call me "Tim the Toolman" for nothing! It wouldnt be the first time I ran over myself either!



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Rick Kr

05-23-2005 13:30:51




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to TimWafer, 05-22-2005 16:49:51  
Tim,
I have tried the rake deal, it doesn't work very well. The bigger rocks that you really need to get, just go under the rake. You need it to actually run under the soil a little. You could try weighing the rake but I think you would bend the fingers. Right now I use and old culitvator that is set on 9" centers. Weight it down and go. Works pretty good to get the rocks up. But then back to your problem, still need to pick them out of the field.

Rick

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TimWafer

05-23-2005 15:05:23




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to Rick Kr, 05-23-2005 13:30:51  
Should have read your post before I went out and tried it. I removed every other tooth and you�re right it doesn�t work well at all. I went back to picking by hand but while I was working I did recall an old manure bucket someone gave me a long time ago. It didn�t fit anything I have but I knew I must have kept it somewhere. I finally found it. It is about 54� wide, so narrower than the skid steer. The tines are 20� long and spaced about 6� apart. Gonna see what I can do with it. Either adapt it directly to the skidsteer or maybe adapt just the tine section to my existing bucket since there isn�t much of an actual bucket to the manure one. Price is right anyway!
Tim

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JMS/MN

05-23-2005 07:50:12




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to TimWafer, 05-22-2005 16:49:51  
Interesting terminology when you refer to mattress sized stones. I assume they are slabs of rock? We talk about football, basketball, and table rocks. Table rocks are ones which barely fit under the kitchen table. I've had a 4625 Gehl skidloader for 7 years, and first used the material bucket to dig rock, but got too much dirt with it. Went to the standard manure tine with grapple, have yet to break or bend a tooth, and work out table rocks- some so big I can't move them off the field with the Gehl. Can pick anything good enough for corn, but bean and hay ground still needs hand picking. Local mfgr makes rock buckets with teeth on small spacing- idea of making your own sounds good. I made a rock bucket for a reversed WD using 1 1/4 square stock years ago, about 7 inch spacing- worked pretty good, but closer spacing with an underside brace near the front would do well on smaller rock, like what you want to pick. Closer the tine spacing- the more dirt you get with the rock. If you have parttime help- run by yourself during the day, up and down the field, dumping on the ends. At night, when you have spouse, kids, etc., to run a rock wagon, go once around the field and pick up all the piles.

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Robert in W. Mi.

05-23-2005 13:49:31




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to JMS/MN, 05-23-2005 07:50:12  
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I've been clearing a field too. It was an orchard for many years, then pasture, but i'm about to put into hay production.

I've taken quite a few loads of this size rock out already, and i'm still working on it. Next will be rotavateing it!!

Robert

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TimWafer

05-23-2005 08:05:22




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to JMS/MN, 05-23-2005 07:50:12  
Yeah, I had a couple that stuck up at and angle and would trip the plows for 4 or 5 passes. I finally got them out with the skidsteer and dozer. I�m still trying to level off the craters they left. The table sized ones I moved with just the skidsteer. Looks like the best answer is the tine bucket on the skidsteer. I will have to give some thought to its construction unless I can find one somewhere.
Tim

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Hugh MacKay

05-23-2005 02:57:32




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to TimWafer, 05-22-2005 16:49:51  
Tim: I have owned several rock picking machines in my lifetime. I did custom rock picking for other farmers. Believe me none of them are cheap if there are a lot of rocks. The most economical way I've found is rock windrowers and rock forks on heavy skidsteers. Skid steer gives you the luxury of being able to see tips of fork teeth. They are also very good at picking up scattered stones when not using windrower. Being able to see those fork tips, big advantage over tractor.

I enjoyed that comment on lowering the field if you pick too many rocks. I was once asked by an Oil Company engineer to quote on removing the rocks from 10 acres at Halifax-Dartmouth NS. He said he wanted 2' of rock free soil. I said. "you best get us a big sump pump." His question, "WHY" I said, " By the time we get 2' of stone free soil we will be below sea level." First off I advised they had rocks much too large for farm rock picking equipment. They brough in a contractor with D8 and root rake, piled the big rocks, then hauled them off with tandem dump trucks. (799 loads) They put a 3' deep drainage ditch around the 10 acres when contractor was done removing large rocks. My crew then moved in with farm rock equipment. We removed 21,000 tons of rocks, over and above the 799 loads. When we were done field surface was level with bottom of ditch. They did not have 2' of stone free soil, in fact they did not have 2" of stone free soil. So that danger of getting below sea level is there. Be Careful.

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Jerry/MT

05-22-2005 21:33:51




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to TimWafer, 05-22-2005 16:49:51  
You really want to be carefull picking too many rocks 'cuz if you pick 'em all, your land will be 40 feet deeper then before you started ! I have similar problems, living on what was once the bottom of glacial Lake Missoula. We have rocks from a few centimeters to the size of Volkswagens. They use to flood irrigate my pastures and the practice was to pile rocks along the ditches. Well my place rolls so there were a lot of ditches. This Spring I barred (a job for a #47 jacket, #2 cap guy like me with a 5 foot steel bar) 22 loader buckets of rock off 300 feet of one ditch. Ran over it with the disc and found 2 more bucket loads. And all the while I'm doin' this, them sonsab*^#!!*# are a breedin' beneath my feet!
I'm scared of plow up anything on this place for fear of spending the rest of my life picking rocks. But seriously, they make rock pickers to deal with this stuff but they are big bucks and you have to have the tractor big enough to deal with them and some method of hauling off the rocks. If I have to endup reseeding any of my ground, I'm going to do some testing with killing the vegatation with Roundup, discing it lightly and then drilling in grass seed so as to avoid the rocks. Picking is a temporary measure since the temperature changes cause them to get pushed up all the time. Pardon my waxing philisophically about this serious matter.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

05-22-2005 17:33:58




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to TimWafer, 05-22-2005 16:49:51  
It's a problem, eh? It seems as though you have sort of a solution, though controlling the skid steer must be a safety challenge.

My dad always used an old team of Belgians on a stone boat or small wagon. They would follow voice commands and he could wander around with a fork.

When he got too ill to use the horses, he comandeered my golf cart and loaded the smaller stones into its box. That worked surprisingly well, apparently.

I see my neighbour going by with a fancy rock bucket on his loader, but those things cost a mint.

I guess I'll stick to picking up the loose ones with the manure loader on my tractor, probably the least efficient method of all.

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Dale

05-22-2005 17:32:42




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to TimWafer, 05-22-2005 16:49:51  
I'd just get or make a rock bucket for the skidsteer. There are some pretty nice ones you can buy if you want, ours is just a homemade one with a frame made of 3x3 tubing and a bunch of old truck axles sticking out of the bottom and torched to a dull point. Works better than picking by hand. We've tried just about every rock picker and we have too many different soil conditions, by the time you get used to using it in one you're into something heavier or lighter and start having problems again.

Can't help you with the 3" rocks, if we stopped for them we'd never finish.

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Randy-IA

05-22-2005 18:03:42




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to Dale, 05-22-2005 17:32:42  
Hi , My neighbor did the same thing that Dale did and made one out of an old skidsteer bucket . Put two foot long tines on the front and just scoups 'em up . It's not fool proof but what is ? By the way , why are you worried about 3" rocks ? If you have a lot of them maybe the unit you mentioned for lawns would help . Otherwise , my neighbor suggested to me when I was picking rocks in his field to not worry about anything smaller than my fist , but I have large hands . This is in a row crop field not hay by the way . Good luck ....Randy

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TimWafer

05-23-2005 07:55:55




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 Re: Picking Rocks in reply to Randy-IA, 05-22-2005 18:03:42  
I wondered about those buckets for a skidsteer. Seems a few years ago I saw them in every dealers yard but now that I was thinking about one I can�t find anyone who still carries them. I wondered if they didn�t work well or what?
My old Skidsteer doesn�t have a quick-change bucket but I�m sure I could adapt one or even make it from scratch if I can find the time. I thought about making up an attachment that would bolt on the front of my regular bucket with some 2� long forks spaced 3 or 4 inches apart. Just need to find something to make the forks themselves out of.
Tim

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