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Nathan S

05-14-2005 07:06:10




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I am looking at an International Cyclone 400 four row planter that is for sale. Does anybody know much about these? What would be the going price for one of these?

Thanks for your help




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Bob/wis

05-15-2005 17:02:56




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 Re: International 400 planter in reply to Nathan S, 05-14-2005 07:06:10  
Well we went from a 456 plate type to a 400. Since then I have boughten 8 of them. Saved some parts off the junk ones. Just 2 weeks ago took a whole unit in for scarp. 2300lbs roughlly. On the way home picke up a late model ready for the feild 400 I bought a week before. It is set up with IH depth wheels double down pressure springs spring pressure on the insecticide boxes. It has the IH monitor but I will use the lift and drop seed approach to check with. I got a 108 for the junk on and paid 50 for the feild ready one. I will never go to a deere. I just do not like all the little moving parts in them. Nothing like maitence on the deeres.
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Bob

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Hugh MacKay

05-15-2005 02:47:19




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 Re: International 400 planter in reply to Nathan S, 05-14-2005 07:06:10  
Nathan: I don't think Allan is the only one who likes cyclo planters. There is however a large segment of the farm population that think they're junk. Most of that crowd let them become junk, too lazy to do their manitainence. They are off doing the same thing with their new Deere, Kinze, etc. 20 years from now they will be calling those junk.

I bought a 400 new in 1975. Planted 300 to 400 acres every year. Yes they will do all the sins others have mentioned if you don't do your maintainence. Well maintained they will match the planting preformance of the best of planters.

Forget about the damn monitors, Have the whistles on seed tubes working, and at the end of every row look across for those 1 or 2 seeds at the end of each row where you just lifted planter. That will tell you if planting. Finally, keep adjustments on seed metering as per the manual.

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Gerald J.

05-14-2005 08:13:32




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 Re: International 400 planter in reply to Nathan S, 05-14-2005 07:06:10  
Ten or fifteen years ago, I paid $190 for a 6 row narrow at an auction. A few years later I bought a 4 row wide for parts for $50 at an auction. About the time I bought the first one, dealers wanted over $1000, because they could part them out for even more money than that.

Today most would bring their value as scrap iron.

I still have them but I don't plant with them. I found that with a good brush in the drum, a good drum seal and attention to seed hopper seam leaks, that mine did a good job of dispensing predicted quantities of seed. What I didn't find was anything near even seed spacing in corn. Three seeds together makes for three wasted seed then there's a foot and a half gap then a couple together... Makes for a poor corn crop.

I converted the four row wide into a liquid 32% N side dresser for 30" rows. I stole a part or two from the 6 row cyclo 400 for that.

Its vital to the working of the cyclo 400 that you swab out the pipes to remove insect caccoons and spider webs right before you go plant. And don't forget the pressure equalizing pipe from drum to seed hopper. If that's not clear, seed won't feed. In corn its very handy to buy round seed, then they won't double much. Small flats (especially with a worn drum brush) tend to over plant to the point I ran out of seed before I ran out of field.

My cyclo 400 uses belt drive for the fan. One spring (nearly the last time I wasted seed with it) 2/3 the way through planting 12 acres, the belt wore just enough that pressure was a hair shy. When I got to the end of the field, I had too much seed left but had to wait until the crop came up to see where it had quit. Planting corn in Iowa in the middle of June doesn't make for a great harvest. That year or the next year one row plugged with beans (and I never did determine why). But I planted 5 rows.

I mounted a mirror so I could see the drum on the side that should be rising with seed, then I painted stripes on the drum so I could detect it turning. Still I missed that corn failure since the tips of seed corn were fairly dark. I never did succeed in making the monitor work. It needed a speed sensor that my 400 doesn't have apparently.

Gerald J.

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Allan in NE

05-14-2005 07:12:51




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 Re: International 400 planter in reply to Nathan S, 05-14-2005 07:06:10  
Hi Nathan,

I think you and I are the only two guys left that like these old planters. Probably why they go for a dime a dozen at the darned sales.

The key to the planter is understanding how it was designed to operate, in my humble opinion.

BTW, they are "Cyclo", not "Cyclone". :>)

Allan



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James2

05-14-2005 19:29:29




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 Re: International 400 planter in reply to Allan in NE, 05-14-2005 07:12:51  
Allan:
I'm going to air som dirty laundry, because I have to admit we also run a 6 row IH 400. I initially believed it did a poor job and was planning to get rid of it. As a last resort, aftermarket depth control wheels (not IH version)were added to each side of the double disk openers and the drum was modified by the local machine shop. The machine shop added a stainless sheet with punched holes entirely around the drum. The original drum seed dimple projects just a little above the new sheet which was welded to the drum. A true work of art for only $89! Now seed depth control is great, and drum jerk is minimized. Travelling at 4.5 mph we have rare doubles and skips. Not quite as good as a well setup JD finger planter, but good enough to yield 190 bu on timber soil (white clay). I agree the monitor has been a pain. We are at the point of giving up and just getting off and checking the tubes for blockage every few rounds. I could use the exercise anyway. Bought the planter with dry fertilizer for $400. Paid $75 for all the depth control wheel assemblies (gave me all he had to get rid of them, total of 8) and $89 to modify the drum. The monitor is another story. The box was checked twice and is OK. Used a VOM to check resistance. Found both main connectors were bad, and replaced for $100. Checked all wiring to the seed drum and sensors, it was OK. Still didn't work. Shorted out each of the sensors, and again couldn't make it work (stop buzzing). I have since bought a sensor checker and haven't had the heart to use it. I have already replaced several sensors with used ones known to work, and that didn't help either. If I did find out they were bad, I don't believe i would take the chance and replace them for $90/piece.

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trickle creek2

05-14-2005 17:17:49




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 Re: International 400 planter in reply to Allan in NE, 05-14-2005 07:12:51  
I like mine too paid $35 for a 4 row that needed acouple of bearings in th e disks, works good esp for the money



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Hayshaker

05-14-2005 19:33:42




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 Re: International 400 planter in reply to trickle creek2, 05-14-2005 17:17:49  
I have a 6 row narrow Cyclo that I use to plant my 2 acres of corn and sweet corn. Last year one of my sensors broke and blocked the flow of seed only when I had the planter in the ground. Monitor wasn't working anyway but could seed dribbling on the end from each row when I picked up the planter on the end, so looked like the planter was planting. The bottom of the sensor would hang different when the planter was up and would let some seed drop on the ends. Good thing this was only over two acres! In the mid 1970's I was working for an IH dealership where I helped about 20 customers get acquainted with their new Cyclo planters.

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