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horsepower for a baler

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IronHorse

05-13-2005 11:12:58




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What horsepower do I need to run a Int.46 baler




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VernMN

05-16-2005 15:32:02




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
Used a Farmall H on a 14 T baler pulling a wagon behind and up 100 bales on it. No problem. The live power is good if you get big dumps and want to slow the travel down. Now am using a 460 on the same baler and it is a toy for the tractor. Power to spare.



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VernMN

05-16-2005 15:31:34




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
Used a Farmall H on a 14 T baler pulling a wagon behind and up 100 bales on it. No problem. The live power is good if you get big dumps and want to slow the travel down. Now am using a 460 on the same baler and it is a toy for the tractor. Power to spare.



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Delbert

05-14-2005 06:40:31




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
I use a m farmall most of the time. It works great pulling wagon feel sorry for guy,s on on wagon so just run in first gear. Don,t run that old baler to fast as it is made with same knotters as the old horse drawen binders and they didn,t run very fast. [pto speed] A even windrow say two 7' mower swathes would be about right. I use a 9' swather and rake two windrows toghter works fine in bromegrass. I think your 460 would brezze right along with it. The s55 might be fun just to try.

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Rich Iowa

05-14-2005 05:32:02




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
Last summer before I gave up on my IH46 baler, I ran a Farmall H in front. No live PTO, not real big, but it pulled the baler, just dropped the bales, no wagon. Never could get it to work right, lost patience.



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Leroy

05-15-2005 06:41:17




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to Rich Iowa, 05-14-2005 05:32:02  
Was your problem with it not tying bales? If so did you check the plunger slides for wear? worn slides; common; will cause not tying thought to be caused by the knotters. This for all makes.



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Rich Iowa

05-14-2005 05:28:24




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
Last summer before I gave up on my IH46 baler, I ran a Farmall H in front. No live PTO, not real big, but it pulled the baler, just dropped the bales, no wagon. Never could get it to work right, lost patience.



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Hugh MacKay

05-13-2005 17:02:02




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
IronHorse: Never had a 46 baler. My dad had a 45 and we ran it with Farmall 300. Later we had a NH S-69 with thrower and 4 - 20 foot wagons. Over the years we baled pulling that with Farmalls 130, 300, 560D and 656D. Now I only ever baled a few loads with 130 when other tractors were on silage and this was material that got too dry for silage. On level ground 130 pulled it in 2nd gear and put 150 bales on wagons. Here is the kicker, the old 300 still holds the record on my farm having baled the most hay on two consecutive days. Yes, it baled more hay in a two day period than either 560 or 656. You see small square baling is more about manpower than horsepower, and labour was easier to find in the 300s heyday or hayday.

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Leroy

05-13-2005 14:45:16




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
Ran a IHC 46 with kicker pulling 18' wagon on slightly rolling ground with a 49 JD B @ 28 hp and handled as good as posible for any tractor, no live pto and never missed it. The JD B actually handled it better than a lot heavier tractor, a JD AR at 39 hp



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paul

05-13-2005 14:10:33




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
The baler will use about 12-18 hp to spin the flywheel at speed. The plunger uses about 50 hp on the stroke - taking it from the flywheel.

Now, to pull & control the baler & operate safely, you need an older USA heavy tractor of about 35 hp or so - some get by with 27, most would prefer 40; or a new import tractor of 40+ hp because their pto drivelines are not built so strong, and they are too light to handle the baler. Tale wagging the dog thing.

So, in addition to hp, you need enough weight & a rugged pto/rear end on the tractor.

I would want a tractor with live pto as well. One can get by without, but if you are looking for a baling tractor, get something in the 35-40 hp range, or a little bigger is fine, with live pto.

If you have a Ford N or a Chineese compact sitting on the place, well, might work if you rake small windrows but not much fun.... ;)

--->Paul

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Tim IN

05-13-2005 13:52:55




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
For the IH 46 I believe the manual suggests around 35 PTO horsepower. I find the IH 400 at 50 horses to be a good fit. I've never tried the M on the baler due the lack of live power, but it should probably the job.



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Steve from MO - dangit!

05-13-2005 13:13:50




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 Depends. in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
Level ground or hills? Stacking or dropping?

We ran an International 45 baler with a John Deere late model B. We were pulling a rack behind and stacking and it worked ok but only on level ground.



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markinwis

05-13-2005 12:43:59




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
Your 460 will have more than enough power to run a 46 baler. That big flywheel at the front negates the need for lots of horsepower. You just need to be sure to run it at rated PTO speed. There are lots of little Fords and Farmall C's being used to run balers with no problems.



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caseyc

05-13-2005 11:25:52




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to IronHorse, 05-13-2005 11:12:58  
do you have a tractor now? i would imagine 50hp would be enough, 75hp would be better and 100hp would be overkill. i have a JD336 and the manual says 45hp. my wd allis runs it fine and it's short of 40hp. i normally run it with my 706 and that's 75 hp.

casey in SD



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ironhorse

05-13-2005 12:22:38




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to caseyc, 05-13-2005 11:25:52  
that suprised me I thought it would not take that much. was thinking of using A oliver super 55 it's just a real small baler. hopefully my farmall 460 will handle it.

Thanks



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Bobg

05-15-2005 17:15:53




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to ironhorse, 05-13-2005 12:22:38  
We used a 460 on the 46 baler, it had more power than the baler required. I have my Dad's old M, it s 36 hp. I use an old IH 27 baler smaller than the 46, but the same knotters. Does all right and I baler some pretty steep stuff, sometimes it can scare the hell out of you on those hills.

Bobg



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caseyc

05-13-2005 14:40:29




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to ironhorse, 05-13-2005 12:22:38  
that old ollie will handle it just fine, just take your time. the 460 will be a perfect match for when the wagon gets a 100 bales or so on it.

casey in SD



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paul

05-13-2005 14:12:39




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 Re: horsepower for a baler in reply to ironhorse, 05-13-2005 12:22:38  
Didn't read your reply before mine above - relative bales with a S55, they have live pto, you will be happy & do fine unless you are doing many thousands of bales....

--->Paul



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