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tilling w/ Howard HR 30

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mikeinWA

05-08-2005 13:52:04




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Just spent the last 45 minutes reading with great interest all the archived discussions on rototilling. I recently purchased a Howard HR 30 70". Pulled it with a 50hp 2240 in damp "Chehalis silt clay" did OK until pump went out on tractor (whole nother story) So I hook it up to 56hp 2350 4x4.

It tills well at about 1/2 depth on the skids.(no gauge wheels) and after awhile with someone else running the tiller and me watching I was able to come up with a combination of adjustments which seem to work pretty well.(gate closure, gear selection, depth etc.) I am getting 7-9 inches deep and the tilth is great.

If I bury this tiller by allowing full depth on the skids it will stall out the tractor in first. Now this 2350 is geared a bit high for tilling but bear with me for a second. I used to run a 48" Kabota tiller on a JD 750 4x4. I could literally bury the tiller in 1st and 2nd gears with about 18hp at the pto. I guess I am a little dissapointed that I cannot do the same with a 70" tiller and 50hp. The HR30 is rated 50-85hp. The HR20 by comparison is rated 30-85. I know I could not increase the tine speed and ground speed and expect to run the HR30 well with 56hp.

Heres the question. Despite the hp rating by Howard do I have a bit too much tiller, or am I just used to smaller equipment and the way my old setup performed. Would I be better off with the HR20 same size? All my tractors are set for 60" on center now to accomodate seeders and cultivators so I am not at all interested in decreasing width. I intend to use 2240 with hi/lo @ 50hp for tiller tractor. And whats more, why is the HR20 70" rated for down to a 30hp tractor, is it a reduction gear or something or just the weight.

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Jerry/MT

05-08-2005 19:17:32




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 Re: tilling w/ Howard HR 30 in reply to mikeinWA, 05-08-2005 13:52:04  
Hi Mike, I used to live up in Graham so I think I know the kind of heavy soil you are talking about. While i'm certainly no expert in these matters, I would hazard a guess that the 70" tiller has a lot bigger tines and more of them than the 48 " tiller. I would think that the power requirements in a given soil would scale with the total surface area of the tines. It's my guess that even though the 70" tiller is 46 % bigger than the 48" tiller, the tine area is significantly bigger than that. Measure the wetted area (surface area) of each tine set and multiply it by the respective number of tines and see what you come out with.

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Roy in UK

05-08-2005 14:59:05




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 Re: tilling w/ Howard HR 30 in reply to mikeinWA, 05-08-2005 13:52:04  
Recommended horsepower requirements given by implement manufacturers ( and Howards are notorious for it! ) are usually a bit under what is actually needed. When it says "Power requirement from Xhp at the PTO" it means under ideal conditions, on level ground etc etc. We had a Howard Bigbaler, they said a 50 hp tractor would handle it comfortably... in their dreams! Baling hay on level ground yes possibly, pulling up a hill baling wheat straw, well 70hp would be nearer the mark. You want my honest opinion about power for rototillers in general? as a rough guide 1 h.p. for every inch of cut. e.g. 100 hp for a 100" rotovator, OK if you are working down land the consistency of beach sand or only going shallow, it will take far less. trying to knock down some heavy, dried out clay,or trying to bury the thing a foot deep, it takes far more.It all depends on the prevailing conditions."How long is a piece of string?" We had 100" on an MF1100 (92 pto hp) and it was enough for her at times!

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