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need to time a sq. baler

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john4010

05-06-2005 14:05:55




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I need help as soon as possible on timing the needles on a 124 massy. Its my fault there off, as I bought the baler from a neighbor who used it last year, and never had any problems. As I was cleaning it and greasing it yesterday I went to run it through its cycle now its way out of wack. When it goes to tie, everything is fine until it goes to bring the needles back to "home" postion, then it gets about 1/2 way down before the plunger comes back and hits the plunger safty stop, and then it shears a pin...I need help asap as I have 40 acres of hay to bale tomorrow. Thanks in advance guys. John

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TomTX

05-07-2005 14:20:36




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 Re: need to time a sq. baler in reply to john4010, 05-06-2005 14:05:55  
You say you "are going to try it". Be sure you have a helper to turn it over by hand while you look and compare everything to the pictures in the manual. You will get the hang of it. Go through multiple cycles of turning by hand to make sure everything clears properly.



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john4010

05-07-2005 07:39:13




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 Re: need to time a sq. baler in reply to john4010, 05-06-2005 14:05:55  
Hi all I had an owners manual but misplaced it, so I had to go buy a new one...Reading through there helped a little, but I'm a slow learner...Anyways, the part that confused me was the 1/4 to one inch clearence between the needles and the bottom of the chamber along with the clearence between the needles and the plunger...is the plunger supposed to be at full stroke to measure this? Also do the needles enter just after the front of the plunger passes over the top of them (being the needle ends?) Then as the plunger comes back(on the return stroke)the needles should be completly in the chamber so that when the plungers starts to come forward they should start to return to the home postion right? Or am I way off? Im going to try it in a little while and will let you know wether or not I have really screwed something up. John

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KEH

05-08-2005 16:08:17




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 Re: need to time a sq. baler in reply to john4010, 05-07-2005 07:39:13  
Glad you got the baler timed. Now learn all about it so I can get help when I start using mine! BTW, the feed forks need to be in time also. There is a separate sequence for that. On roll pins, I use some penetrating oil, get a punch that is a tight fit, grind the point flat, and use a big hammer. KEH



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KEH

05-07-2005 09:21:53




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 Re: need to time a sq. baler in reply to john4010, 05-07-2005 07:39:13  
John4010, 12:15 PM Eastern time. I hope I haven't confused things, butI haven't run the baler since timing it. It seems to me as I turn it by hand through the tying cycle that the clearance between the plunger and the needles as they go back down are very close. Yes, as I understand the manual, the plunger should be all the way back for the measurement. I think you set the needles in place with the chain loose, then tighten it. Let me know if I can try to help you more. Apologies for double post. KEH

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john4010

05-07-2005 14:23:36




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 Re: need to time a sq. baler in reply to KEH, 05-07-2005 09:21:53  
KEH, you didnt confuse me at all:) So heres my update, I got the poor girl back in time and works great...except for the little roll pin that ties the knotter gear, bill hook and everything else togeather, is sheared. Looks as if it will be fun replacing that. I wanted to sq. bale the first cutting but I didnt get things done soon enough and wound up round baling it. Hopeful I can get the pin fixed in short order and try it again. You wouldnt happen to know an easy way to get the roll pin out would you? I have delt with this before on other equipment, but always wound up in a tighter mess then what I had to start with...I guess thats part of being a farmer:)
John

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Jim.UT

05-06-2005 21:10:42




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 Re: need to time a sq. baler in reply to john4010, 05-06-2005 14:05:55  
The operator's manual explains it in good detail. I sold my 124 a month ago and sent the manual with it. I can't remember the details by memory. I sent a photocopy of the manual to Steve(Magnolia,TX) who posts here and is also getting a 124 ready to use. Hopefully he'll see this and lend a hand. If you want to email me, I'll pass along Steve's email addy so you can ask him directly to quote you chapter and verse on the procedure.

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KEH

05-06-2005 15:33:00




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 Re: need to time a sq. baler in reply to john4010, 05-06-2005 14:05:55  
JD4010, I hope someone who has operated a 124 will come back to you, because I am a new owner also. I bought a 124 last year, haven"t operated it, but had to time it since the previous owner had installed new needles on it. I got a manual from MF. I just re read the section on timing the knotters and you need to see the illustrations along with the instructions. Maybe you can check withe the previous owner or a local dealer. It seems that taking the knotter drive chain loose and adjusting may be necessary. When you get the needles into home position, there is supposed to be one half to three quarters inch between the tips of needles and botom of bale chamber. There is a projection on the end of the plunger. Rotate flywheel until needles enter bale chamber and tips of needles are flush with inside of bale chamber floor. There should be one quarter to one inch clearance between the projection and the back ( toward rear of baler) of needle. If not correct remove knotter chain and turn flywheel until correct. Hope this helps and does not confuse. KEH

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KEH

05-06-2005 15:32:53




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 Re: need to time a sq. baler in reply to john4010, 05-06-2005 14:05:55  
JD4010, I hope someone who has operated a 124 will come back to you, because I am a new owner also. I bought a 124 last year, haven"t operated it, but had to time it since the previous owner had installed new needles on it. I got a manual from MF. I just re read the section on timing the knotters and you need to see the illustrations along with the instructions. Maybe you can check withe the previous owner or a local dealer. It seems that taking the knotter drive chain loose and adjusting may be necessary. When you get the needles into home position, there is supposed to be one half to three quarters inch between the tips of needles and botom of bale chamber. There is a projection on the end of the plunger. Rotate flywheel until needles enter bale chamber and tips of needles are flush with inside of bale chamber floor. There should be one quarter to one inch clearance between the projection and the back ( toward rear of baler) of needle. If not correct remove knotter chain and turn flywheel until correct. Hope this helps and does not confuse. KEH

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