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Maschio Rototillers?

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EWB

05-03-2005 07:13:34




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Anyone have experience with Maschio Rototillers? Several well-informed folks have suggested to me that they are excellent (for about $2,000). I live in Deere/Woods/Bush Hog country and have never seen one. I am especially interested in the 4 speed gearbox feature.

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Hay DR

05-03-2005 11:53:22




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 Re: Maschio Rototillers? in reply to EWB, 05-03-2005 07:13:34  
Maschio makes the Frontier tillers. Woods tillers and some BH models are made by Meletti. John Deere & some of the BH tillers are made Sicma. Maschio makes light duty to extra heavy duty tillers. Usually the 4 speed gear boxes are on the most expensive higher HP models that are Gear driven. $2000 would seem like a very low price for a Maschio tiller like this. The Model H would be the cheapest multi-speed tiller they make.

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EWB

05-03-2005 12:21:36




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 Re: Maschio Rototillers? in reply to Hay DR, 05-03-2005 11:53:22  
thanks

If you were going to spend between $1,000 - $2,000 for a 50 inch tiller - which brand/model would you buy?



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Hay DR

05-03-2005 16:15:48




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 Re: Maschio Rototillers? in reply to EWB, 05-03-2005 12:21:36  
There are lots of good choices in that price range. First what tractor do you have? What is the PTO HP of your tractor? What transmission does the tractor have? How many hours a year will you be using the tiller? What is the major intended use? What soil type do you have? We do have tillers at CCM but answer these questions and this will give more than one poster a chance to give you a recommendation.

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EWB

05-03-2005 17:17:20




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 Re: Maschio Rototillers? in reply to Hay DR, 05-03-2005 16:15:48  
In many respects, I would really like to find a model of tiller with a tine speed that is reasonably slow ~140 rpms so as to avoid some of the less positive results of rototilling (i.e. destruction of soil aggregates). The ag researchers I have consulted suggest that lower speeds are worth looking for (but they didn't suggest any models) and that they are typically found on tillers with variable speed gearboxes (which it sounds like might be out of my price range).

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Robert in W. MI.

05-03-2005 20:49:41




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 Re: Maschio Rototillers? in reply to EWB, 05-03-2005 17:17:20  
I do NOT agree with your stament on getting a tiller with a "slower" tine speed!!

With my Howard tiller, "If" i wanted less tilth, i'd open the back door and/or increase the ground speed!!!

I have (3) Howard tillers, and in my opinion they are the strongest tiller on the market!!!

Does you tractor have 38hp OR 38 "PTO" hp???

Do NOT get a tiller "too wide" for the pto hp of your tractor!! A tiller that's too wide will work in "gardens", but in a bigger field it will work your tractor too hard!

Make sure you don't UNDERSIZE the hp rateing of the tiller for your hp tractor. Buy your tiller rated about 15 or 20 hp over your tractors rateing, and make sure you get a drive line slip. AND absolutely make sure you keep it ajusted properly!!!

I've got a 65hp rated tiller on my 45 pto hp tractor, and it's been totally reliable for the close to 20 years i've owned it doing custom rotavateing!!

IMHO, Howards are worth the extra they cost!!!!

Robert

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Hay DR

05-04-2005 17:25:39




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 Re: Maschio Rototillers? in reply to Robert in W. MI., 05-03-2005 20:49:41  
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I have to agree with Robert in W. MI concerning the tailgate and ground speed.



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EWB

05-03-2005 17:10:41




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 Re: Maschio Rototillers? in reply to Hay DR, 05-03-2005 16:15:48  
Tractor is a John Deere 1020 diesel. 38 horsepower, 2 wheel-drive. 4 speed gearbox with hi/lo (no creeper, no hydro but fairly slow in first gear) Soils are silty loam (no rocks) with good tilth. I expect to use the tiller mostly for primary tillage in a bed system after green manures such as clover, winter rye, vetch, etc. have been cut down (w/ a rotary or flail mower). I have used disk harrows in the past but find myself making more passes than I would like and not too happy with the results. We are, however, talking small scale (couple of acres) of intensively farmed vegetables.

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mikeinWA

05-04-2005 22:35:18




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 Re: Maschio Rototillers? in reply to EWB, 05-03-2005 17:10:41  
Couldnt agree more regarding the Howards. Say Pete I believe you"ll be sending my manual soon (HR-30) thanks.
Mike Peroni



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pete-mi

05-04-2005 20:23:03




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 Re: Maschio Rototillers? in reply to EWB, 05-03-2005 17:10:41  
The Maschio tillers are better than a lot of brands on the market but I still prefer a Howard. The store I work for has been selling Howards for over 35 years. Thats longer to be a dealer than a lot of rotavator companies have been making machines. We have sold several units over the years as small as 48in and some as big as 160 inch wide. Most of them have a average rotor speed in the low 200 rpm area. This works great and most larger models have gears you can swap to change the rotor speed. They dont make any as slow as what you were asking about. From what I have seen over the years that is a little to slow. Years ago Seamans made a tiller and it turned fast. I dont have any information to tell for sure but from what I have been told they turned a LOT faster than any made today. That is why ones in the low 200 range work fine. I have never had a complaint on a Howard turning to fast. One thing a lot of economy tillers do that is not good is only have 4 blades per flange. A 6 blade per flange will do a much nicer job. We have had customers use them in all types of crops. They have been used in nurserys, orchards, dairy farms for corn and hay ground, sod farms,.....and even Christmas tree farms. It takes a strong machine to handle rotavating pine tree stumps and Howard makes them. I work in the parts dept and not all brands make parts for 10 year old machines. A rotavator is like buying a tractor. You want to get a good one that will last many years like a tractor. You also want to be able to get blades and repair parts when you need them. If you want to see what Howard curently offers there is a page of all the models on our store website. It is www.deurimplement.com and click on the Howard Rotavator tab. It gives the basic specs for each size. What ever brand you do get you will want to make sure it has a slip clutch. If not you will be spending a lot of time changing sheer bolts. A Howard 300 series would do a great job at what you are planing on. One of my friends dad was the manager of a orchard farm north of town until he retired about 8 years ago. They had a Howard HA series that was purchased in the mid 70's and they used it on their JD 1020 gasoline. They have updated the tractor to a JD 2255n but still have and use the same rotavator. A good rotavator will do a fine job on what you are planing.

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