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Can pasture be prepped for corn planting this late

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Dwight (ks)

05-02-2005 19:34:46




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I have a pasture that I want to plant sweet corn, but the ground hasnt been worked yet. I know I should have fall plowed, but I didnt own a plow or disk until last week. I live in east kansas. I have about 2 acres to plant. I just bought a JD 1240 planter today.

I really want a nice sweet corn crop this fall, if possible. The late date for planting corn in my area is May 10.

Im wondering if this sequence could work:
1. Apply Round Up to the food plot
2. Wait one or two weeks,
3. Then Plow,
4. Then disc it to death, 5. Plant the sweet corn


Here the attachments I own:

John Deere 1240 planter, 4 row, pull type
12' Springtooth chisel, 3 pt
10' wheel disc harrow, pull
2 bottom plow, 3 pt
Landscape rake, 3 pt
Rear blade, 3 pt
Box blade, 3 pt
FEL
Kubota L3130 tractor, 4WD
Small 40" tiller on the Cub Cadet garden tractor.
No sprayer, yet, but would consider it.

Can anyone suggest how I should work the ground with the attachments I have right now?

thanks, dwight

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jhill

05-03-2005 06:17:30




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 Re: Can pasture be prepped for corn planting this in reply to Dwight (ks), 05-02-2005 19:34:46  
Your plan will work fine. Many people plant sweet corn over several weeks into june to stagger maturity dates and get a longer crop. We don't plant here in MI until mid May. Get a row crop cultivator and use it every week until you can't get thru corn. Weeds shouldn't be a problem if you keep at it. I have raised sweet corn this way for 50 yrs.



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no.2

05-03-2005 05:23:39




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 Re: Can pasture be prepped for corn planting this in reply to Dwight (ks), 05-02-2005 19:34:46  
My neighbor had the same situation as yours two years ago and he did about what your going to do and that 4 acre field was his best producing field out of 65 acres. He said plowing down the sod was the secret. We also had good rains that years. In our area it takes about 200# actual nitrogen for a good crop of sweet corn. They plow down about 40lbs, broadcast about 50lbs, put about 25lbs through the planter the sidedress 30gal of 28% when the corn gets about waist high.

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Heat Houser

05-03-2005 01:02:57




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 Re: Can pasture be prepped for corn planting this in reply to Dwight (ks), 05-02-2005 19:34:46  
I would do as you suggest, do the RoundUp, wait 7 days and then plow, disc, and plant. Sweet corn is generally 85-90 days so I really don't think you will have a problem unless you run out of water. Since it is pasture, you will want to fertilize fairly heavy. Does your 1240 have dry or liquid fertilizer? Otherwise, you will have to broadcast some "plow down" fertilizer and maybe do some liquid N. Liquid N is 28% nitrogen and corn needs a fair amount to get good to excellent yields.
Here in Iowa, I have planted sweet corn up to mid June.

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Leland

05-02-2005 22:43:44




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 Re: Can pasture be prepped for corn planting this in reply to Dwight (ks), 05-02-2005 19:34:46  
IF you plow it tomarrow and let it lay for a week to kill sod and hit with a disk you should be alright I have saw corn planted in june mature to harvest.



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dilbert

05-02-2005 21:20:04




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 Re: Can pasture be prepped for corn planting this in reply to Dwight (ks), 05-02-2005 19:34:46  
If your plow has 12 or 14 inch bottoms,don't plow over 7 inches deep.---6 inches would be better.A rule of thumb for plowing depth is one half the width of the bottom.Any deeper that that will have about half of the furrow standing on edge and then you will have a lot of sod on top when you work the ground.Plow slow and let the furrow slice have enough time to turn as completely over as possible.Try to get the sod top completely on the bottom of the furrow where it woun't come to the top when you disk the soil.A spring tooth or field cultivator will only bring up sod chunks.We used to tie #9 wire to the coulter staffs and lay the wire across the moldboards and then let them train in the ground.Cut them about 8-10' long.The wires will pull the sod under quite a bit better that way.Use a disk only or if someone has a Soil Surgeon you can borrow,it is the best tool for working sod in the spring Its like a metal rock boat with knives on the bottom..The next best tool would be a cultipacker.If I was to pull a disk at 6-8 mph then all I would have left in a short while would be unbruised rocks,broken disk axles and broken disk bells.I never heard of anyone recommending pulling a disk at 8 miles an hour before.Try catching the field right after a rain.Sod will work a lot better if it is a little wet(not muddy though).

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Gerald J.

05-02-2005 20:26:29




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 Re: Can pasture be prepped for corn planting this in reply to Dwight (ks), 05-02-2005 19:34:46  
May 10 may be the "last date" but THIS YEAR it may be too early.

The vintage JD books suggest you disk first, then plow, then disk again a couple times.

With those implements, I would roll the sod over (plowing 8 or 9" deep) with the moldboard plow first, then disk it two or three times, preferable twice with some sort of spring tooth harrow on the rear. Make the second disk pass at 8 or 9 mph. You should see dirt flying and weeds flying higher than the dirt so the weeds stay on top and dry out and die.

You don't have any tools besides the plow with horizontal shovels like a cultivator, either field cultivator or row crop cultivator. In my experiences the disk will encourage grasses, not kill them. You need a pass with such shovels (and having a spring tooth behind them is a benefit for leveling) to kill off the grasses just before you plant.

If you don't apply herbicides, you will also need to rotary hoe 3 days and 6 days after planting to kill off more young almost sprouted weeds. Then you will need to run the row cultivator before the weeds get to be a few inches tall, then again when the corn is a foot or so tall. The second cultivator pass can be set to toss dirt into the row to cover small weeds and hill up the corn.

Unless you have perfect luck you will grow as large a crop of weeds as of corn and the corn productivity will suffer. That's why I'll be planting RR corn this week (if it truly warms up) and spraying with glyphosate a couple times. Your sweet corn won't take glyphosate, but it might tolerate other corn herbicides. But after reading applicator's handbooks and herbicide labels I have concluded that I don't want to work the other herbicides without a tractor having a well filtered cab which I don't own.

After years of trying to grow good corn without herbicides, I've concluded I can't grow good corn.

Gerald J.

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old

05-02-2005 19:45:26




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 Re: Can pasture be prepped for corn planting this in reply to Dwight (ks), 05-02-2005 19:34:46  
Well where I live if I had the corn in it would have frooze.



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-Lou

05-03-2005 09:01:16




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 Re: Can pasture be prepped for corn planting this in reply to old, 05-02-2005 19:45:26  
I have a similar question posted on another board. It sure seems that if you plan ahead and plow in the fall your way ahead of the game. Good luck. Lou



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