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DD in WA

05-02-2005 08:27:18

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I've been reading some archive postings and there seems to be some disagreement about whether a larger or smaller diameter twine causes more/less knotter problems. Last year I was having some problems with the knots on one knotter getting hung up on the bill hook. (NH 271 baler). It seems a larger diameter twine would have more chance of getting swept off the billhook. Is this logic correct? I'm using sisal twine but honestly not sure if I used 9000 or 7200 last year.

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chief 83

05-02-2005 19:38:31

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Re: Twine size in reply to DD in WA, 05-02-2005 08:27:18

I have used the 7200 for about 3 years now in my NH 315. I've broken less than a dozen. Seems you actually must have twine in the baler for it to tie properly. Other than that it's not missed.

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kyhayman

05-02-2005 13:05:13

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Re: Twine size in reply to DD in WA, 05-02-2005 08:27:18

I had been using 9000 plastic which is smaller than 10000 sisal. Last year, I started really having problems with the knotters, esp if the hay was anything less than perfect moisture. I rebuilt these knotters in 1990 and they have about 92,000 bales on them so they are definitely due again. I switched to 10,000 sisal, which was what the local JD dealer recommended when the baler was new. Sure enough, I think I missed 19 or 20 the rest of the year. I like the plastic better but it was so slick and the knots so tight that with the wear in the knotters the wiper was sliding off. Feel like I can go to 9000 ft from the 10,000 if I need a larger twine to finish the season.

Just as a side note, I am curious about the 7200. I can honestly say that I have never seen it in stores. Here its 9000 and 10000 sisal for square bales (or 9000 plastic) and 16,000 for round bales. Just wondering why it is so popular in some places and not at all in others. I know KY is 3rd nationally in 'other' hay production but down to 27th in alfalfa.

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HA in Oh

05-03-2005 09:06:33

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Re: Twine size in reply to kyhayman, 05-02-2005 13:05:13

7200 twine comes in a boundle just like 9000, 10000, 16000, 20000. I've seen old guys use it several yrs ago with thrower balers. It's just heavier and takes the banging off the wagon racks better. I used 9000 up till last yr, now all 7200 or extra heavey, some is called that. Had trouble with the notters at first, got manual out and found there are 2 types of bill hooks, 1 for heavey twine, 1 for the regular twine. Got a pair of the heavey bill hooks, no more problems. They had more clearance between the hook. [JD 328] Never seen the large bales of twine talked about on here, but would like try it. Bought all my twine in Jan when Hay Doc said the price was going up.

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Randy-IA

05-02-2005 18:46:24

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Re: Twine size in reply to kyhayman, 05-02-2005 13:05:13

I'm fairly new to all of this so I was in the store the other day looking over the different twines available there . Most where Lincoln brand . It looked to me like the 7200 had a breaking load limit higher than the 9000 which had more strength than the 16000 and so on which I assumed was due to using the longer (16000) balls on round balers since they wrap the bale with more twine the twine can be a smaller diameter , so more twine can fit in the ball and more wraps on the bale so the twine could be weaker . Did that make sense ? This brand puts the strength of the twine on the package . I don't remember the exact #'s but it was something like the 7200 had 320lbs wwl and the 16000 had 130lbs wwl . 7200 was alot bigger in diameter also . So I bought 7200 for my old 14t . Anyone have brand preferences ? I've heard that around here Brazilian Gold was supposed to be good . I got the lincoln because it was a couple dollars cheaper . And it's going on sale Wed. for $21.xx . Were I shop the brazilian was over $26 . ...Randy

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RickL

05-02-2005 17:37:33

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Re: Twine size in reply to kyhayman, 05-02-2005 13:05:13

kyhayman; I run the 170knot poly,get it directly from the factory and the last time I got it I got it in the 7200version which in their case it is simply 7200 in a single ball instead box of 9600 (2 balls of 4800). These balls are about 2 inches taller than the 2pack version. It is just alot less tying for me. I really like this stuff so far. Been running this about five years anyway this brand

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kyhayman

05-02-2005 18:04:19

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Re: Twine size in reply to RickL, 05-02-2005 17:37:33

Now its beginning make more sense to me. Same diameter twine, different size ball.

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RickL

05-03-2005 05:33:45

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Re: Twine size in reply to kyhayman, 05-02-2005 18:04:19

Thats correct,it is same stuff just in different size balls. The 140 knot is sized more and the 210knot is size little less because it is heavier yet. I have been having good luck so far at 170knot. You can only get like 140 knot or less in farm store in my area and it just does not hold up for me. So I talked direct to the company about what I was doing and they said that I would need the 170knot or heavier. I have to order it by the pallet direct from the company in my case and it is actually cheaper also. While I am talking to you (kyhayman) I just finished putting two New Idea tedders together (Enorossi) built in Italy something like that. They look like they would be a good machine to ruin good alfalfa with. Don't you use one of these things. I am going to use one to break big rounds(straw) up again to rebale into small square after unroll will see. Next item laying in shop is 12 wheel rake. Its time for the hay stuff now as planters got finished 2 weeks ago.

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kyhayman

05-02-2005 13:03:13

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Re: Twine size in reply to DD in WA, 05-02-2005 08:27:18

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Hurst

05-02-2005 16:06:10

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Re: Twine size in reply to kyhayman, 05-02-2005 13:03:13

We are in Midway, Ky outside of Lexington, and around here everyone uses 9000 for the square balers and 16000 for the round balers, both sisal. For plastic, I am not sure for square, but for round, 20000. Where are you located kyhayman? Kind of neat to see someone else from Ky in here.

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kyhayman

05-02-2005 18:02:01

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Re: Twine size in reply to Hurst, 05-02-2005 16:06:10

Right next door, in Anderson Co.

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Tomr from Ontario

05-02-2005 12:28:06

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Re: Twine size in reply to DD in WA, 05-02-2005 08:27:18

I switched to 9000 sisal in a 14T and an automatic bale wagon. No problems with baler, but a bit on the light side for breakage with the twisting they take in the bale wagon.

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Sid

05-02-2005 11:16:12

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Re: Twine size in reply to DD in WA, 05-02-2005 08:27:18

I have used both in my New Holland 269 and the 9000 caused me problems. The NH mechanic suggested I switch to the bigger twine and I did. It eleminated my problems. Not saying this is true in all cases but for me it made a difference.

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Gary54

05-02-2005 10:25:10

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Re: Twine size in reply to DD in WA, 05-02-2005 08:27:18

I would think you might have a knotter problem or a brand of twine problem- we have run a NH 271 for about three years (now as a backup to a 315) and have no problems with either 9000 or 7200- in fact switch back and forth depending on weight of bales buyer wants- we did find however avoided a lot problems when we used NH twine vs. an "off" brand

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Bobg

05-02-2005 09:59:50

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Re: Twine size in reply to DD in WA, 05-02-2005 08:27:18

I would check the bill hook tension, it may be too tight. I would use the 9000 as I think 7200 is too light, but it may work in a NH.

Bobg

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TimS

05-02-2005 12:36:54

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Re: Twine size in reply to Bobg, 05-02-2005 09:59:50

Also check the wiper arm clearance, make sure that the knot is forming properly, the twine tension is set right, and the twine is being laid across the bill hook properly ( clearance on the needle as it comes up etc ).

I had a problem a lot last summer where the left knotter would work great, but the right one was real inconsistent. Come to realize, finally, I had the left knotter drawing twine from the right twine box so it had plenty of tension, but the right knotter was pulling twine from the left twine box, so it didn't have enough tension to knot consistently...I switched them so left was going to left and right going to right, and it worked much better....haha.

This summer I'm going to modify a bracket holding the measuring wheel as I have seen the knot on that side get pinched between the top of the bale chamber and the bracket and pull the knot out...so I am going to modify the bracket so there is room for the knot to go thru without getting snagged. This is an early JD 14T.

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