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Help w/ grain drill !!!!

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Kelly C

04-23-2005 07:20:30




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Hey guys. I am borrowing this drill from my Neighbor. As I was bringing it to my place I noticed that all the planting gears are turning as I go down the rd. He didnt know how to turn them off and his fields are right next to each other so its not an issue for him. I have to take this 4 mi down the rd, I suspect that you dont want all the gears turning wile rd tripping. This is a real nice fellow and I sure dont want to damage his fine equipment. I cant seem to find a disconnect for the gears ether. Looks to be a MM modle p-3 I think. Any help from you Implement boys?




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Bill Becker

04-26-2005 20:34:34




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2005 07:20:30  
Kelly, there is a throwout strap on each side of the drill that should push the drive gears away from the feeder shaft when the drill is lifted. These straps are attached to the square shaft that the lifting rolls are attached to. The gear box is spring loaded so that it will automatically reengage when the drill is lowered. When the drill is lifted, you will still see the gears turning because they are ground driven. They just won't be turning the feeder shaft. If it is turning the feeder shaft, when the drill is lifted, the throwout strap may be bent or broken, or the gear box might be stuck.

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Leroy

04-24-2005 09:36:20




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2005 07:20:30  
I found my manual (Never had the drill) and if it has the fertilizer box then it is a "PF-3" but from your pictures I can't tell if it is a single disk or stagard double disc opener and for double run it would have to have the fertilizer unit and the double run would put a little soil between the seed and fertilizer, if you would get where you would like a manual sometime email me as per other post

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Kelly C

04-24-2005 09:42:18




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Leroy, 04-24-2005 09:36:20  
I will get with you on that. I dont think Melvin has a manual for it, so he may want it. Or at least I can keep it until I find mine.



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Tx Jim

04-24-2005 04:55:50




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2005 07:20:30  
Kelly,I don't know anything about MM drill's but if it happened to be like a JD B drill there are three bolts on each side between wheel and disks that can be removed to disconnect drives for highway transportation.Tx Jim



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JMS/MN

04-23-2005 11:39:24




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2005 07:20:30  
I have two of those, 10 foot MM drills. They date back to the mid50s, so they have years of use on them. Had the same problem- simple solution is to take the chains off. Each half is driven separately. Mine had that problem with the grass seeder drive. Reason for the problem is the cast yoke that is on a drive shaft, slides back and forth on the shaft and separates the drive halves. The thicker part of that cast yoke wears down and will not separate the halves enough to disengage the teeth on those halves. Might be possible to weld up the yoke, but it's easier to do it on the bench than while still on the machine, and removal is a major teardown. I noticed that the drill is a ground lift- you can make a hydraulic conversion for about ten bucks worth of steel.

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JMS/MN

04-23-2005 11:47:16




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to JMS/MN, 04-23-2005 11:39:24  
Just reread your post below about the gears dropping away when pulling the trip rope. That is not how it works- the yoke I mentioned is what disengages the drivbe. However, your mention of those gears made me think of another solution- aren't they held in place by a strap iron tightener, and you could loosen them for a mojor move down the road? Also be aware that the MM drill is made for High and Low seeding rates. Those gears you mention are how you change from high to low, by interchanging them on their two shafts. The chart in the lid will have high and low rates for various seeds. Make sure they are in the right position for the rate you want.

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baler 46

04-23-2005 07:45:00




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2005 07:20:30  
If all fails take the chains of,there should be a chain tighter on them to loosing them.Just put chains back on when you are in the field bets breaking some thing. just my 2 cent worth



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txgrn

04-23-2005 07:26:30




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2005 07:20:30  
Do the cutters lift up off the ground when you pull and release the two levers while in forward motion?

Do the seed gears stop turning when (if) the above happens?

Don't worry about it if both answers are yes. I have a Deere and it does that too. Gotta have the gear connected to the wheel all the time so that when you pull the levers there is power available (from somewhere....the rolling tire) to do what needs to be done.


Mark

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Kelly C

04-23-2005 07:33:41




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to txgrn, 04-23-2005 07:26:30  
The cutters do lift up, but the seed gears keep turning. I suspect some thing is out of adjustment. it looks almost as if when you pull the rope to raise the disks that the ssets of gears at each end should drop away from the seed drive gears but I dont know.



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James2

04-23-2005 11:29:46




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2005 07:33:41  
I think most of these old drills could be set up to run (dribble) grass seed without letting the "cutters" down. Thus, you could use the drill to distribute grasses; etc in standing cover crop. My IH MF drill was doing it and I had to look at the book to determine how to change it back, because it also ran the wheat seed out. Dribbled wheat everywhere! You can just take off the driving chains as was suggested earlier but this can be a pain because they generally have a shield on them. Just don't plan on raising the drill and not losing any seed when later in the field. That sure is a nice looking MM drill! I assume it is a double run feed?

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Kelly C

04-23-2005 21:38:20




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to James2, 04-23-2005 11:29:46  
I sure do like this drill. If I run accross one for sale I will have my own. I have no idea double what or any thing yet... It is run in halfs. one wheel runs 5 feet of the drill and the other wheel works the other.
I did one swath before I figured it was way to windy for the grass seed and she worked fine.
Hope the wind dies down tomorow. I have to give the drill back.



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JMS/MN

04-25-2005 11:20:23




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2005 21:38:20  
Mine are for sale. Can deliver too.



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James2

04-25-2005 10:05:29




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2005 21:38:20  
Kelly:
The double run feed has two feed cups side-by-side, one for large seed, the other one for smaller seed. Generally there is a hinged door which swings both ways allowing you to cover up one of the feeds. The alternative is the fluted feed style which dominates the market today. I read somewhere that the double run is easier on the seed; ie, causes less damage. I really haven't had any other feedback to verify this. Maybe someone else can take the lead and shed some more light on the subject. The double run is not widely used today because it requires a "transmission" to change seed rates, and this "transmission" in whatever form it comes in, is expensive. The double run semi-retired IH model MF drill has a big disk with a bunch of bumps on it. You move the driving device radially on this disk to change seeding rates. It really is ingenious. The double run JD model 520 I own, has an enclosed oil filled gear box on each side and you slide the internal gears with attached external levers. I also have a fluted feed IH 620 which is used for wheat, so I have some experience with a fluted style feed. I believe the double run was invented sometime before fluted feed.

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txgrn

04-24-2005 07:51:44




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2005 21:38:20  
What difference does the wind make? All I have used, had or seen, have the seed almost totally encapsulated from the time the tooth grabs it till it rests in the soil. Does yours have flexible chutes from the hopper bottom to between the discs?

Mark



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Allan in NE

04-24-2005 08:51:20




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to txgrn, 04-24-2005 07:51:44  
I dunno Mark,

I like to take those alfalfa tubes clear off and let the seed spread out and fall slipshod where it may.

That way, the alfala doesn't end up getting planted in "rows" and will provide a better stand because it isn't competing with itself.

Allan



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txgrn

04-25-2005 07:13:39




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 04-24-2005 08:51:20  
Well if you are doin that I can see the wind factor.

Mark



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Kelly C

04-24-2005 09:40:01




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 04-24-2005 08:51:20  
Yea thats what this one has. The tubes are gone. Seed just drops down in front of the disks.
I got her done today. Worked good.
I am going to broad cast some broam with my wirley gig thing then drag it and be done.



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Leroy

04-24-2005 06:40:12




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 Re: Help w/ grain drill !!!! in reply to Kelly C, 04-23-2005 21:38:20  
Have you found directions yet, I think I have me a book for it. email me and I will look, [email protected] run means seperate feed for fertilizer and seed, but not grass seed as that is anouther attachment



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