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Seeding Broam Grass

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Kelly C

04-19-2005 19:23:45




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Got a small delema. I am going to seed 6 acres with a Broam/Timmothy/ Alfalfa mix and a cover of Oats.
I have the use of a drill with a grass seeder on it.
I was going to just seed all the grass the normal way, but I found out the Broam grass seeds are to big for the seeder
One guy said to just put the broam in the drill and plant it at the same time as the oats.
Thats sounds good but does that not mess up the proper planting of the oats?
Also I figure it would really mess up the ratio for the Alfalfa and Timmothy.
I noticed on the drill it rates in Qrts.
I have for 6 acres.
12 bushels of oats.
50 pounds of broam seed.
35 pounds of Timmothy seed.
15 pounds of Alfalfa seed.
Any ideas on how to figure this out?

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Allan in NE

04-20-2005 06:12:53




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to Kelly C, 04-19-2005 19:23:45  
Well Heck!

I"ve had this wrong all these years!

I thought the way to seed Broam was to just stand on the upwind side of the field and drop one single seed.

Wait 30 minutes and the whole damed county would be infested with the stuff. :>)

Allan



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Allan in NE

04-20-2005 06:09:53




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to Kelly C, 04-19-2005 19:23:45  
Well Heck!

I"ve had this wrong all these years!

I thought the way to seed Broam was to just stand on the upwind side of the field and drop one single seed.

Wait 30 minutes and the whole damed county would be infested with the stuff. :>)

Allan



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Michael Soldan

04-20-2005 05:36:14




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to Kelly C, 04-19-2005 19:23:45  
Well I've been laughed at before so here goes. I use my 3point fertilizer spreader to sow my grass seeds on top of my sowed oats. I am lucky enough to have a small parcel of 3 acres divided from the farm by a drainage ditch and thats my experimental plot. I use that plot to get my settings right and even if I have to go over it again I come out of there with the right setting and then I do my big field. I allow for wind drift and yes I have to make several trips up and down the field but I have great hay and pasture fields to show it works. The neighbour uses his ATV with a mounted electric spreader, doesn't take him long. Our Coop and their competitors will go out and seed down for you with the same set up..but all said and done my way doesn't cost anything but a few hours of my time and it works for me....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Scotmac

04-20-2005 04:41:30




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to Kelly C, 04-19-2005 19:23:45  
Sounds like you're light on alfalfa 2.5 lbs per acre is pretty light. If this hay is for horses, you've got plenty grass. Put your brome through with the oats. Set your drill for 64LBS per acre for the oats. Be sure to mix your brome thorughly. Your grass seeder with the alfalfa and timothy should be set on 6.5 lbs. Timothy IS NOT FLUFFY SEED. Timothy is more like alfalfa and belongs in the front seeder.

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Kelly C

04-20-2005 05:17:59




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to Scotmac, 04-20-2005 04:41:30  
Got it.
How do you figure 6.5 pounds in qrts? The grass seeder is rated in qrts. Whats a qrt of alfalfa/ Timmothy whigh?
I suppose I could just grab a qrt jar and some seed and go to the hardware store and use thier scale.



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I Bleed Green

04-20-2005 03:27:14




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to Kelly C, 04-19-2005 19:23:45  

You need to plant the Broam with the Oats. Timmothy you can seed with the Alfalfa in the grass seeder.



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JMS/MN

04-20-2005 00:02:55




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to Kelly C, 04-19-2005 19:23:45  
Brome and timothy are large, fluffy seeds- they go in with the oats. Alfalfa goes in the grass seeder. Set the grass seeder accordingly. At two bushels oats per acre, I think you are light- should go for three for a cover crop. Fifteen lbs alfalfa for six acres is 2 1/2 lbs per acre, so your hay field will be mostly grass.



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Gerald J.

04-19-2005 20:45:10




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 Re: Seeding Brome Grass in reply to Kelly C, 04-19-2005 19:23:45  
Tried that about 1988 with a grain drill. I mixed the brome with the oats. Ran out of field, still had most of the seed hopper. Ran over the field two more times, still had most of the seed hopper. Ended up spreading it mostly by hand. The brome seed has awns that are long and stick together and won't let oats or brome go down the seed paths in the drill. Since then I plant brome only around the edges and when there's a gentle breeze. I hold a hand full of seed high in the air and the breeze spreads it for me as I wiggle my fingers.

I think its possible to have brome deawned in a hammer mill so it will plant with oats.

Put the oats in the main seed hopper and the alfalfa and other small seeds in the grass seed hopper. Take the grass seed tubes off and let those fall on top the ground, the disk openers will plant them too deep otherwise. The drag chains will bury them enough. A cultipacker behind the drill will help the alfalfa germination.

What is your reason for this mix? Brome, alfalfa, and timothy mature at different times. Mostly alfalfa matures first and the frequent mowings wipe out the brome and timothy. Climax timothy is supposed to mature more timely with alfalfa, but I couldn't tell when I replanted some drowned out alfalfa with it.

I used to plant 16 pounds of alfalfa to the acre for hay production.

Gerald J.

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Kelly C

04-19-2005 21:15:52




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 Re: Seeding Brome Grass in reply to Gerald J., 04-19-2005 20:45:10  
I want mostly grass for the horse customers.
Last year I got a real nice cutting of grass for the 1st cutting then the 2nd was mostly Alfalfa in it.
I was going to just go with a Alfala Timmothy mix.
Last pasture mix I tried had way to much clover in it.
I asked for 85 pounds of Timmothy and 15 pounds of Alfalfa. He talked me into the broam saying it grows fast and had bigger leafs. Yada Yada what do I know?
Ok sounds good....
I am planting on Sat so maybe I will get mad about it and just Take the sack of broam back and get 50 more pounds of timmothy.

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Gerald J.

04-20-2005 08:18:11




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 Re: Seeding Brome Grass in reply to Kelly C, 04-19-2005 21:15:52  
Timothy and brome won't recover like alfalfa, but you don't plan enough alfalfa in the mix.

Horses don't need any alfalfa, when I was selling alfalfa hay to horse types, they fed them two flakes a day, then the horses ate the barn and to wooden fences to fill in the bulk they are programmed to need. Horses love alfalfa, if not restricted they will eat it until they explode.

Compared to timothy, brome is tough. And brome is considered an invasive weed some places. It certainly does spread on its own reliably going to seed and not needing burying to sprout.

Gerald J.

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paul

04-19-2005 20:17:41




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to Kelly C, 04-19-2005 19:23:45  
The little grass seeder portion is _real_ fussy & do not rely upon the rating on it.....

Anyhow, I would try to run the small seeds through the grass seeder portion - they need to be shallow & work better this way.

I would mix the fluffy seeds with the oats when in the drill. Perhaps fill in layers, some oats, some grass seed, some oats.... Mix a bit with your hand. Heavy & small seeds like to fall to the bottom as you drive, light & big seeds like to float to the top, so you just need to 'deal' with that. I would not like to put the little round seeds in for that reason.....

As the grass is the point of this field, I would plant pretty shallow - real shallow - with the oats/grass mix, pack it in if you have a packer or harrow it, and should come out pretty good. Has for us.

Typically for such things, one plants a little heavy on the grass seed as placement/ distrabution is not perfect, but it should all come out ok.

Dry enough up there to plant? My oats is up, but man there are water puddles all around, no corn for a while yet. We had 4.8 inches this month.

--->Paul

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Kelly C

04-19-2005 21:24:47




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to paul, 04-19-2005 20:17:41  
Dry enough?
Yup every one but me ( had to work) was going like gang busters today. There was a line at the mill this morning.
Melvin accross the rd got all his in by Monday.
Now he is just waiting to plant Corn and beans.
I still have to disk up that 6 acres I plowed in the fall, But I did get 2 tons of fert on my 25 Sat.



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John e.c.MI

04-20-2005 03:31:45




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to Kelly C, 04-19-2005 21:24:47  
Trying to plant brome is like trying to plant feathers. Mix the brome with the oats, you will probably have to set the drill way past what the chart says. Alfalfa and timothy seed are about the same size. Put them together in the small seed box and let the seed drop on the ground. I have some brome and it makes good hay. Lots of volume on the first cutting, not much on the second though.



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Scotmac

04-20-2005 08:20:39




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to John e.c.MI, 04-20-2005 03:31:45  
Kelly..."a pint is a pound the world around". One quart jar should equal 2 lb. Brome contains 136,000 seeds per pound and timothy has 1,200,000 seeds per pound.. Alfalfa by comparison contains 200,000 seeds per pound.



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Kelly C

04-20-2005 15:09:28




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 Re: Seeding Broam Grass in reply to Scotmac, 04-20-2005 08:20:39  
Well I took in a mesured quart jar with 1/3rd alfalfa and 2/3rd timmothy and it weighed. 1.5 pounds exactly.
But if a pint is a pound when they are talking about settings on a machine when it shows in qrts.
SHesh.... Getting me confus...ed..
Maybe I can convice the holder of the CD on my land that one envelope = a mortgage payment no matter what is really in there.Think that would fly???

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