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Mow Straw stubble???

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Joe in IN

04-12-2005 06:15:08




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I've got a couple months on this but am curious....

I have wheat in the field about 12 acres, it will be combined in July. I will bale the straw when combining is done. What do I do with the Wheat stubble? Do I mow it off and bale that too? Or leave it?

I grew wheat merely to get a cash crop off before planting my hayfield this August. I do not no-till(lack of equipment) thus whatever is left on the field will be disked(twice) and then cultipacked prior to planting my hay field.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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JD70

04-12-2005 18:49:37




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 Re: Mow Straw stubble??? in reply to Joe in IN, 04-12-2005 06:15:08  
I would just drop the header on the combine down.
Save you a trip. I like to use wheat as a nurse crop. I get the wheat to sell,straw to sell and if the weather is good to me I get a cutting of hay all in one summer. It will have some stubble in it, but it sells. Next spring a established hay feild.
I have a 10 acres of wheat out and I seeded alfalfa/alfalfa pasture mix in the wheat the first of March. I used a four wheeler and a Herd Seeder. You want the ground a little wet and sticky. If the spring is wet it works well. I have less luck in the fall direct seeding due it is usally drier. No matter what it is a gamble. Good Luck.
John

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Joe in IN

04-13-2005 06:57:56




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 Re: Mow Straw stubble??? in reply to JD70, 04-12-2005 18:49:37  
We get an average of 3.91 inches of rain in August. I have not underseeded with alfalfa, I am going to plant from scratch in Aug. 90% of the field is irrigated so if the weather is dry the field next to me will be watered with a center pivot and he will water my ground for nothing(For some reason this guy sold me the end 20 acres of his field and messed up his irrigation in the process. We erected stop blocks to make the thing reverse course otherwise it would run into my house...)

I do not need the straw, just looking for more to sell. I guess I'll try to get the guy combining to drop the head down as far as he will go, and then just disk up the rest. The 'mulch' probably will help with weed control and give some added protection in winter.

Thanks for everyones opinions....

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Michael Soldan

04-12-2005 15:40:13




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 Re: Mow Straw stubble??? in reply to Joe in IN, 04-12-2005 06:15:08  
Joe, here in southern Ontario farmers are seeding down their wheat fields, of course we grow mostly winter wheat. Red clover is a favourite seeding down, it can be used as a plow down or for hay. Our spring grain is usually seeded down at the same time as well. Three years ago I planted IDA oats and seeded down at the same time, when the oats were combined I left everything as is, the stubble protected the pasture mix as it grew, on the first cutting of hay the following spring there was very little stubble with the hay in the windrows. Good luck which ever way you choose, I hope from one farmer to another it works out well for you...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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John A.

04-12-2005 11:10:41




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 Re: Mow Straw stubble??? in reply to Joe in IN, 04-12-2005 06:15:08  
Joe, for years we would finish wheat harvest, then start disking wheat stubble in. That was in the TX/OK Panhandle! It would take roughly 5 to 6 plowings to get it worked in enough to plant by Mis Sept. That was on 1200 acres X 5 = 6000 acres covered in 60 to 70 days. That is a lot of DSL, goung up the exhaust. Later...
We noticed that the ground we burned off to float out so it would row water better would work up in half the plowings. That was a large saveings in fuel cost, But we did suffer some in ground moisture availabe at planting time.
With the Min-till movement, And high fuel prices .... I tend to favor a crop reside left on top to help hold moisture, snow and maintain the soil and keep erosion to a min.
So I recomend min disturbance of the crop residue. If it is prudent for your ares, If you area has large rainfall then plow ,plow,plow.
Your Combiner can just take the belt off the straw slinger and let the material that comes through the machine fall in a windrow. If you want to bale it. It has little nutrietive value, does make erosion control hay for road contractors!
Anyway your opitions are open.
Later,
John A.

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paul

04-12-2005 10:33:05




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 Re: Mow Straw stubble??? in reply to Joe in IN, 04-12-2005 06:15:08  
What are you trying to accomplish? Which is the important thing here?

I am assuming you straight combine your wheat, 'here' most everything is swathed & picked up that way, so the stubble is very short.

If you want & need straw, yes you can clip it.

No need to do so tho. While the straw does not add fertility (there are entire books about carbon sequestering, mineralization, etc. - it take more N to break down the straw the first year than is released) it does help your soil tilth & long-term adds fertility. Wheat straw is pretty easy to break up & break down. Just work it in & good to go.

Is it typical to plant hayfields in fall in your region? Most areas that do straight combining end up too dry in fall for that to work well. Grasses establish a little better in spring if you catch some rains then. More typical to plant those along with the wheat as a cover crop.

Around here several have started seeding oats or wheat in spring, harvest it, & then solid seed alfalfa in fall. Seems to work for them. So nothing wrong with fall seeding, if your climate provides the moisture then.

--->Paul

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Hound

04-12-2005 07:37:23




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 Re: Mow Straw stubble??? in reply to Joe in IN, 04-12-2005 06:15:08  
...nothing. I"m assuming you have already underseeded your hay mix. It will help as a nurse crop for next years hay. Mother nature will break it down and when you cut you first cut next spring it will be gone.

Straw is a good fertilizer. Its a good way to increase you fields organic levels. Often, guys cut as much as possible, (..sorry Allen), and practically give the straw away. If you don"t have a use for it (animal bedding) leave it in the field. Hauling it off, has a major negative impact on the land, and the money that you may receive doesn"t nearly cover the cost of fertilizer if you try to replace the "fertilizer" benefits. (...this could be a regional thing as well ). Don"t be afraid to leave some in the field. Hound

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Hound

04-12-2005 07:33:07




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 Re: Mow Straw stubble??? in reply to Joe in IN, 04-12-2005 06:15:08  
...nothing. I"m assuming you have already underseeded your hay mix. It will help as a nurse crop for next years hay. Mother nature will break it down and when you cut you first cut next spring it will be gone.

Straw is a good fertilizer. Its a good way to increase you fields organic levels. Often, guys cut as much as possible, (..sorry Allen), and practically give the straw away. If you don"t have a use for it (animal bedding) leave it in the field. Hauling it off, has a major negative impact on the land, and the money that you may receive doesn"t nearly cover the cost of fertilizer if you try to replace the "fertilizer" benefits. (...this could be a regional thing as well ). Don"t be afraid to leave some in the field. Hound

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Coloken

04-12-2005 07:28:27




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 Re: Mow Straw stubble??? in reply to Joe in IN, 04-12-2005 06:15:08  
Either way. Like Allan says, have him cut it low. Or yes, if it is high, I have seen it swathed after combining. Some times good, clean straw is worth as much as hay.



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HoneyRancher

04-12-2005 06:55:32




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 Re: Mow Straw stubble??? in reply to Joe in IN, 04-12-2005 06:15:08  
Many years ago, my dad went out after the grain binder or combine and "clipped" the oat stubble after the grain was off the field. He had a 7' sicklebar mower behind his Farmal F-14 (and later a Farmall C). The straw was gone when he threshed and laid on top of the stubble when he combined. The sickle bar cut close to the ground (like cutting hay) and added quite a lot of straw to the supply. Once "clipped", the straw was raked and baled for bedding. After threshing, it was a fast job as there was only the clipped straw to rake and bale. Of course, you would lose some of the straw where you drove over it and mashed it down.

In those days, you used everything you could get, even if it took some work to gather it.

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HoneyRancher

04-12-2005 06:46:42




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 Re: Mow Straw stubble??? in reply to Joe in IN, 04-12-2005 06:15:08  
Many years ago, my dad went out after the grain binder or combine and "clipped" the oat stubble after the grain was off the field. He had a 7' sicklebar mower behind his Farmal F-14 (and later a Farmall C). The straw was gone when he threshed and laid on top of the stubble when he combined. The sickle bar cut close to the ground (like cutting hay) and added quite a lot of straw to the supply. Once "clipped", the straw was raked and baled for bedding. After threshing, it was a fast job as there was only the clipped straw to rake and bale. Of course, you would lose some of the straw where you drove over it and mashed it down.

In those days, you used everything you could get, even if it took some work to gather it.

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Allan in NE

04-12-2005 06:35:35




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 Re: Mow Straw stubble??? in reply to Joe in IN, 04-12-2005 06:15:08  
Hi Joe,

Tell the guy who does the combining to get that header down; that you want to save as much straw as possible and that you want to plant in behind him.

He ain't a gonna like it because it puts a lot of material thru his machine and he'll have to slow down to get the crop separated out.

But it will make the straw easier to pick up with your baler, give you more straw and then finally, make your discing and planting of the hayfield much easier too.

Allan

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