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Haybine/Disc mower advice

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CWare

04-02-2005 10:22:37




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I've decided it's time to upgrade from my old Ford 515 sickle mower and plan on buying either a haybine or a disc mower soon. I'm not all that familiar with either one and have a lot of questions so I thought I'd ask here for advice.

First off, my dad and I have an International 574 Diesel tractor that's rated at 52 hp. Is that enough tractor for a disc mower or do I need to forget about that all together? I've had people tell me that the 574 is nowhere near big enough for a disc mower and others tell me that I could pull one with ease. Who should I believe? If that is enough tractor what size and brand would you recommend for someone with a tight budget?

Second, if I go with a haybine is the 574 big enough for a 9' or do I need to stick with a 7'? I've found several 9' haybines in my area but don't want to buy one only to find out that it's more than my tractor can handle.

I've saved the best question for last. I know asking which brand is best is always controversial, but I have found 2 JD Mo-Co's and one Heston that are priced right but almost everyone around here uses NH. Are the NH's that much better than the JD's and Heston's are is it just personal preferrence. There's a JD1209 located just a few miles from my house that looks to be in decent shape and the asking price is $500 so I'm leaning in that direction. Is that a good idea or do I need to keep looking.

Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!

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billc

04-02-2005 17:55:36




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to CWare, 04-02-2005 10:22:37  
Hi, You can run a JD 1209/1219 with a 38HP tractor with no problem as long as your hydraulics puts out about 2500 lbs. It takes this much to raise a MoCo.A 9ft disk MoCo takes around 70 hp. Cycle bar mowers do not take much power. I have a JD 1217, 1219 and a 925 disk MoCo. I've used a MF 135,165, and 285 to pull them. Bill



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Michael Soldan

04-02-2005 14:38:02




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to CWare, 04-02-2005 10:22:37  
CWare, I run a 925 Massey Ferguson haybine which is 9.25 feet with a I-H 584 which is about the same horsepower as your tractor. The 584 plays with this haybine and I can lay a lot of hay down in a day. If you can pick up a haybine for $500 and its decent you shouldn't hesitate. JD's and Hessions have good names around here and of course so do NH. Ask the dealer to let you try it on a few acres. Mike in Exeter Ontario

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wolfmantractor

04-02-2005 14:21:07




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to CWare, 04-02-2005 10:22:37  
Not all 574's are created equal. The row crop version with at least 16.9-30 tires & the heavier front axle will play with a 9 foot mower-conditioner. If you have lots of hills, you might want a set or two of rear wheel weights. A 574 is no slouch; I wouldn't be hesitant to put it on a 9 ft disc mower-maybe a little front weighting.



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wolfmantractor

04-02-2005 14:03:53




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to CWare, 04-02-2005 10:22:37  
Not all 574's are created equal. The row crop version with at least 16.9-30 tires & the heavier front axle will play with a 9 foot mower-conditioner. If you have lots of hills, you might want a set or two of rear wheel weights. A 574 is no slouch; I wouldn't be hesitant to put it on a 9 ft disc mower-maybe a little front weighting.



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thurlow

04-02-2005 13:45:17




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to CWare, 04-02-2005 10:22:37  
Do you need the conditioner for your location/type of hay? If not, go with the disc mower..... ..



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Hay Dr

04-02-2005 12:58:20




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to CWare, 04-02-2005 10:22:37  
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The advantage of having a disc or drum mower is you can mow in the morning with the dew on the grass. The hay will start curing about the time you can start with a haybine. A 3 point disc or drum mower with a tedder will cure hay down even as fast a disc mower conditioner for the 1/3 the cost and with less HP and fuel. If you want to use a 9' mower you have the HP to operate the disc mower caddy pictured.

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Roy in UK

04-02-2005 21:49:18




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to Hay Dr, 04-02-2005 12:58:20  
....and who wants to f__t about sharpening sickle sections, replacing fingers, ledger plates etc. this day and age? With a disc/drum mower it is so simple to give each knife a quick lick with an angle grinder or swap / or replace them altogether when the time comes.



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Roy in UK

04-02-2005 21:48:26




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to Hay Dr, 04-02-2005 12:58:20  
....and who wants to f__t about sharpening sickle sections, replacing fingers, ledger plates etc. this day and age? With a disc/drum mower it is so simple to give each knife a quick lick with an angle grinder or swap / or replace them altogether when the time comes.



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kyhayman

04-02-2005 12:04:20




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to CWare, 04-02-2005 10:22:37  
52 hp in my experience is the minimum for an 8' disc mower. As James NC said you will need weights on the front end. You should have plent of power for a 9' sickle bar conditioner.



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James in NC

04-02-2005 11:49:58




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to CWare, 04-02-2005 10:22:37  
you could run a 7'10" disc mower if you add weights to the front of the tractor



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Roy in UK

04-02-2005 21:40:52




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to James in NC, 04-02-2005 11:49:58  
James I second that. I have run a 7'10" disc mower on a MF 168 with ease. I have run one on a 165 and I was surprised how well she handled it too.



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CWare

04-03-2005 13:00:18




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 Re: Haybine/Disc mower advice in reply to Roy in UK, 04-02-2005 21:40:52  
Thanks for the advice guys. My main reason for wanting to upgrade is for speed. I work full time and farm part time so the quicker I can get the hay cut, baled, and in the barn the less chance of getting rained on. The last two years we've had few chances to get hay up between showers and I'm looking for any advantage I can get.

We have fluid in the tires and four suitcase weights on the front of our tractor so it sounds like that will help.

Thanks again!

Clark

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