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CIH 781 forage harvestor,1000pto

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Kent in NB

03-31-2005 05:37:18




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Bought this machine last spring,as a backup to my 718 NH harvestor(540 pto,6 knives). I am pulling with 8160 FORD/NH (90hp, 115hp on Dyno). my question is will the 8160 MFWD have enough umph to make this 781 work well, or will I find myself a bit short on power? We pull a smaller dump wagon and our fields are hilly.The 781 has full set of knives. Thanks in advance.




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Cliff Neubauer

04-01-2005 16:22:02




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 Re: CIH 781 forage harvestor,1000pto in reply to Kent in NB, 03-31-2005 05:37:18  
We ran a NH 718 for over 20 years until it self destructed and then we borrowed a neighbor's JD 3960 for a few years. We pulled the 718 with a 150 hp tractor although I don't think you could stuff any more material through that machine with 150hp than you could with 100hp, the Deere on the other hand would run twice as fast on the same tractor. This year we bought an IH 830 chopper and pulled it with a 225 hp IH 5488 but I was running over 5 mph in 200+ bushel corn with it. I think you will be okay with the 781, it should take less power than the 718 to run the same tons/hour even though the 781 is a higher capacity machine, if you run short of power you could pull some knives out of the 781 but I think you will be okay. I think you will really like the 781, I know I like everything about our 830 better than the NH (your 781 replaced the IH 730 so it's just a size smaller and newer than our 830).

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Kent in NB

04-02-2005 06:39:32




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 Re: CIH 781 forage harvestor,1000pto in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 04-01-2005 16:22:02  
Thanks Cliff. Appreciate the info. Hopefully this will cut down some fuel costs for the coming year.



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Cliff Neubauer

04-01-2005 16:21:34




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 Re: CIH 781 forage harvestor,1000pto in reply to Kent in NB, 03-31-2005 05:37:18  
We ran a NH 718 for over 20 years until it self destructed and then we borrowed a neighbor's JD 3960 for a few years. We pulled the 718 with a 150 hp tractor although I don't think you could stuff any more material through that machine with 150hp than you could with 100hp, the Deere on the other hand would run twice as fast on the same tractor. This year we bought an IH 830 chopper and pulled it with a 225 hp IH 5488 but I was running over 5 mph in 200+ bushel corn with it. I think you will be okay with the 781, it should take less power than the 718 to run the same tons/hour even though the 781 is a higher capacity machine, if you run short of power you could pull some knives out of the 781 but I think you will be okay. I think you will really like the 781, I know I like everything about our 830 better than the NH (your 781 replaced the IH 730 so it's just a size smaller and newer than our 830).

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PJBROWN

04-01-2005 09:36:17




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 Re: CIH 781 forage harvestor,1000pto in reply to Kent in NB, 03-31-2005 05:37:18  
You should have no problem at all!!!! I bet you will never use a chop and throw again!!! They take too much power!!!!



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Hugh MacKay

03-31-2005 18:00:57




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 Re: CIH 781 forage harvestor,1000pto in reply to Kent in NB, 03-31-2005 05:37:18  
Kent: I think you will find those heavy harvesters with separate blower will perform better, under powered than the light harvesters will. I started out with a NH Super 717, then went to the small NH with separate blower, (7xx I forget the complete number. Then I went to a NH 890, and yes on 1066 it would fill wagons in 5 min or less. I had it hooked to a 766 several times, no loading in 5 min, but performance was respectable.

The 718 you are using is cut and throw, right or wrong? The 781 is cutter head and separate blower, right or wrong? If I'm right on both counts, my guess is if you start using that 781, the 718 will soon get parked. I would bet on that.

The 781 is NH right, I've lost tract of these model numbers. The one I had and couldn't remember number, I'm betting was earlier model to the 781, does 780 seem reasonable. If that be the case I wouldn't want to use much over 125 hp on that harvester. That is the precise reason I don't remember model number, I only had it 4 months from new. I could see very quickly 1066 was going to make mincemeat of the harvester. New Holland dealer gave me an awfully good trade on 890. I pointed out some of weak points and he could quite easily see he and NH were going to be ones with black eye.

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Kent in NB

04-01-2005 06:12:17




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 Re: CIH 781 forage harvestor,1000pto in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-31-2005 18:00:57  
Hi Hugh. The 781 is CASE/IH, and is cut and separate blower. The fellow I bought it from, had it on 886 IH,1000pto, and flt he did not have enough power after he rebuilt his engine. I think he had some other issues, like not fixing things right the first time, and then having to do it twice. This guy would buy a another forage box, rather than change a worn sprocket! Anyways, I am just worried about that extra group of knives is. My tractor runs the 718 with six blades, like it is a toy. The CIH 781 would be almost the same as the NH 770 and 790, I think. Like Chris L says, Guess I won't know for sure until I try.

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Hugh MacKay

04-01-2005 17:33:17




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 Re: CIH 781 forage harvestor,1000pto in reply to Kent in NB, 04-01-2005 06:12:17  
Kent: Ah, the 781 is a CaseIH machine, I'm not familiar with CaseIH model numbers on forage equipment. I suspect the 781 is probably comparable to the NH 890, or at least a lot more capacity than your NH 718. That really changes what I said very little. An underpowered cutter with separate blower will be far more successful than an underpowered cut and throw. You just run it to capacity of tractor, forget about what harvester will do. At the end of the day you will have harvested a lot more silage with that 781 than with your 718. I'm still betting you will not hook to 718 if you have 781 working well.

The most important factor with any tractor harvester combination in cutter head sharpness and adjustment. A dull poorly adjusted harvester will zap the power out of any tractor. I had an operator on my 1066 and 890 that would keep knives in condition, I swear you could have used like a straight razor and shaved with it. The shear bar and other adjustment were well maintained. It didn't matter whether we hauled silage with 20' wagons, high dump with trucks or even tractor trailers, he still had time to give stone a little rub over knives. I never did find a hauling system, that didn't create a bottleneck behind 1066 and 890. We were close to having him loaded to capacity, but no cigar. He still had time for maintainence, sitting back listening to radio or other leasure.

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ChrisL

03-31-2005 11:32:29




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 Re: CIH 781 forage harvestor,1000pto in reply to Kent in NB, 03-31-2005 05:37:18  
You won't really know until you try it
Everyone here will say you are way underpowered -

Depends on the harvester (how much power it eats), speed through the field, how much material there is, how sharp the knives are, etc.

BUT, many loads of silage have been cut with tractors that aren't even as big as that.....



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