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Animal

03-24-2005 16:50:58




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I was just curious, do you use a tedder? We were in a 3 year drought, until last year and then it rained all summer, I have a reversable A/C side delivery rake that was real popular with the neighbors last year. Since then 2 of them have purchased tedders Just asking for opinions, and will the tedders work that much better than my rake?


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03-25-2005 10:20:11




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 Re: KYHAYMAN in reply to Animal, 03-24-2005 16:50:58  
wE"VE ALSO NOTICED A TEDDER THROWS THE HEAVIER WETTER HAY THE FARTHEST AND IT ENDS UP ON TOP USUALLY STANDING UP SO THE WET STEMS GET MORE SUNLIGHT AND AIR



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kyhayman

03-25-2005 07:18:34




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 Re: KYHAYMAN in reply to Animal, 03-24-2005 16:50:58  
John is correct, I am a tedder disciple. Started using them 5-6 years ago and parked my haybine, sold my discbine. I cant tell that they do a lot better on speeding curing than a properly adjusted conditioner but they at least equal the curing. Also, lets me manage the hay a lot better, breaks up piles of hay, utilizes more of the ground for sunlight. The main reason for the switch was cost though. A disc mower and 18' tedder ties up under $9000 for the unit. Operating repairs are minimal, I can change a full set of discmower blades in less than a 1/2 hour for $36 with an impact wrench. Tedders, teeth and arms change fast and are economical. With the haybine I was spending an hour a day at least changing guards and sections, spendign $8 each on guards an $1 each for sections plus a half day every 2-3 days sharpening the sickle. Still had problems curing out piles in the swath. Given unlimited funds a discbine would be my choice, but $18-$20000 is out of my budget. Still, would need a tedder to deal with rain. Key, for me, is to ted immediately after cutting, no more damage to the leaf than with a conditioner. Then only ted when really wet with dew, if needed.

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mk4020

03-26-2005 17:35:22




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 Re: KYHAYMAN in reply to kyhayman, 03-25-2005 07:18:34  
kyhayman, interesting info. Help me learn something here, I cut all my hay with a discbine and then bale it. Very seldom do I have to turn it to dry completly. Most of the time I'm working alone so I've made hay with 2 passes. Let's say I cut 80acres and now I have to ted the hay before cutting the next field, another pass is made taking up time that should be used elsewhere. I've only seen pictures of tedders so I'm not sure how fast you go or how they work. Aside from cost of equipment, are you saying this is a better way to go? (with a disc mower) Does a tedder leave the hay more fluffed up than a discbine or haybine? mk4020

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Leroy

03-27-2005 05:56:29




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 Re: KYHAYMAN in reply to mk4020, 03-26-2005 17:35:22  
Where would you be at that you could make hay like that, here mower-conditioner, tedder, rake, possibly tedder again with anouther raking then bale.



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mk4020 to Leroy

03-27-2005 10:25:28




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 Re: KYHAYMAN in reply to Leroy, 03-27-2005 05:56:29  
Leroy, I'm located in central Alberta. June is one of our wettest months which is when most of the dairy farmers are trying to get first cut alfalfa off before it blooms. They are busy turning hay several times(unless it's silage) fighting the weather. "Generaly" the last few days of June to about the 12th of July is a hot dry window to make good hay here. I'm willing to take a crop that's 30-50% in bloom with no rain than fight mother nature. A lot of times I just go by my gut feeling when it's the right time to cut and have been quit successful over 20yrs. Last year God forgot to turn the tap off here all summer and I'll admit, I made a lot of crappy feed (and turned it a few times) 2nd cut I usually wait til end of August which is also generally a dry period to make good hay. mk4020

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Leroy

03-28-2005 16:40:54




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 Re: KYHAYMAN in reply to mk4020 to Leroy, 03-27-2005 10:25:28  
A long way from me, I am in Ohio 100 mile south of Toledo on I75. Around here most of the dairies have folded so not much hay made anymore but what is made is mostly alfalfa with the first cutting coming off as soon after May 15 as possible with aim for every 30 days for a cuting with last cuting in september with some cut in Oct. if stand is not intended to carry over for next year. Oats when it was raised here, (it is still raised in Amish areas both ways from me, I am within a 200 mile radious of 70% of the Amish in the world) was harvested in late (usualy) July or early August. There was very few diskbines here, most all were cutterbar-conditioner, as was ours. We quit making hay in 80 when the dairy herd left, Had a Case 555, 9' Mower conditioner, cycle bar mower, pulltype hay conditioner, New Idea 4 bar rake-tedder on steel, David bradley 4 bar hay rake, and a IHC 46 baler with thrower and 4 wagons. They want all the corn in here now starting April 15 to at latest May 10 and soybeans about the same starting time up till june 1 with double crop soybeans starting about july 1 with wheat harvest

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Hayman

03-27-2005 23:43:34




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 last July was a tough one! in reply to mk4020 to Leroy, 03-27-2005 10:25:28  
mk4020 I farm in NW central Alberta and last year was a tough year both 1st and 2nd cut.

I took a couple hundred bales off in late june with out rain. Then everything in July got rain!!!! Some got only a 1/4" and dried out quickly. But a lot got more and didn't look too great. It took till August 10th or something on the last feild to finally get it up with out rain. Then a week or so later it started raining again, then snow, then rain. I didn't even get all the second cut baled up in October. Had a little bit left in the field.

I make hay the same way you do it sounds. Cut it with a 9ft disc mower conditioner and spread it wide as the baler pickup. Then go in and bale it up 3-5 days later depending on the crop. Now "normally" it works good. But I haven't seen a normal year lately!! Last year I had a 80 acre field of heavy alfalfa cut down. I'm sure a trip over it with some type of tedder a day or two after I cut it to fluff it back up would have saved the field. The hay sat there 5 days and was just about ready to go. It would have went the next day but it had to rain that night!! It was really hot but no wind and high humidity!

It's just no fun to see all that hay get ruined!! Sure hope this year is different!!!

Still lots of hay down your way for sale?

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mk4020

03-28-2005 07:21:52




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 Re: last July was a tough one! in reply to Hayman, 03-27-2005 23:43:34  
There seems to be a fair amount sitting around in the fields yet. I don't know if it's going to be sold or kept for carryover. Last week at the Ponoka auction squares were selling up to $7. That should encourage some of it to come out of the woodwork. Last fall I went after my second cut first instead of the grain harvest so I got the hay crop off but have 50 acres of oats under the snow yet. I'm hopeing for a better season this year!

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mk4020 again

03-26-2005 17:47:54




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 Re: KYHAYMAN in reply to mk4020, 03-26-2005 17:35:22  
one more question, do you have a problem with rocks flying at you with a discmower vs a discbine?



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Hay DR

03-26-2005 10:49:30




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 Hay Tedders and 3 point disc/drum mowers in reply to kyhayman, 03-25-2005 07:18:34  
I totally agree with you. We harvest over 500 acres of grass hay a year. We use 3 point disc mowers and 17-30' tedders. The discbine mower conditioner has it's place in alfalfa but here in TN alfalfa is less than 5% of hay grown.



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Indydirtfarmer

03-24-2005 17:52:04




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 Re: KYHAYMAN in reply to Animal, 03-24-2005 16:50:58  
You might have to wait a bit for David to answer your question> (YES, he does use a tedder) University of Kentucky is playing in the NCAA Tourney tonight, and he's probably out howling at the moon and screeming "GO BIG BLUE" about now....



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kyhayman

03-25-2005 07:10:55




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 Re: KYHAYMAN in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-24-2005 17:52:04  
Thats why Im on here now, last night about killed killed me. My Cards were playing too, and had to celebrate another Rick Pitino victory. Oh, John, just for the record, I haven howled at the moon since the last time UK played Utah in the finals.



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