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NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler

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Mark V.S. in Au

11-13-1999 18:46:25




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I want to buy a used square baler for baling primarily straw (to be used in building straw-bale structures). Ideally, the baler will make very consistent length 2-string/wire bales, but also make bales in shorter lengths easily. Would like it to be able to make bales as long as 36"-39", but that is not a absolute.

I expect I will need to rebuild an old baler, any suggestion for which one(s) to look for? I know that NH is/was the largest seller of square balers, than Hesston had a straight-thru path and that Oliver used wires and had very nice knotting. Any other ideas? Anyone knows of one for sale some what near me?

Mark V.S. in Austin, TX

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B.C.

11-14-1999 18:07:47




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 Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to Mark V.S. in Austin, 11-13-1999 18:46:25  
I'd say, from personal experience, a NH 68 or newer, or a JD 14T or newer. They both should be available twine or wire, with twine being more popular. Parts availability is good, and at any authorized dealer. Deere parts seem cheaper, but it seems like you need fewer NH parts. 600 bucks, plus or minus a couple hundred depending, should get you started. If you don't know much about this, take somebody along who does.

I never had any experience with Oliver balers, except I saw one being very ignored at an auction once. Where on earth would you get parts for one these days?

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Shorty Dear

11-20-1999 15:57:28




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 Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to B.C., 11-14-1999 18:07:47  

Mark, If I were you, I would stay with either John Deere or NH. They both make good balers. I would also use a wire baler because the wire will make a much densor bale. I baled hay for 16 years and I had NH self-propelled balers just before I quit baling. Those things will really bale hay. I don't know if the self-propelled balers are still built, but they are the highest capacity balers you will find I think.

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Joan Bohannon

07-24-2000 05:23:25




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 Re: Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to Shorty Dear, 11-20-1999 15:57:28  
We have a 4500 Hesston Square Baler and are looking for a manual for it. Can you help us out? If there is a charge for it, let me know. Thank you for your prompt reply.



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Mark V.S. in Austin, TX

11-14-1999 18:23:02




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 Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to B.C., 11-14-1999 18:07:47  
Do you know What was the difference in the NH 1xx and 2xx series from the older ones like the 66/77?

Parts for Oliver balers? I'll check with my local Oliver dealer (Capitol City oliver) and find out.

Mark V.S. in Austin, TX



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B.C.

11-15-1999 06:31:05




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 Re: Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to Mark V.S. in Austin, TX, 11-14-1999 18:23:02  
I don't know the specifics but I doubt it was too radical. The NH dealer should know. The new ones I've looked at out at the Farm Science Review seem pretty recognizable. In general I think the idea was to make the bales a little bigger and kick them out a little faster as the models progressed over time. Once they got to the 68 model they had the general idea pretty well nailed.

Heston was about the only one that moved baler design ahead, with that center pickup, and I doubt any of those come cheap.

If Oliver (AGCO White) still offers baler parts I'd be surprised but guess it would be possible if not likely. It would also be my guess that a lot of it would be from stuff somebody had left on a shelf somewhere.

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Wayne

11-14-1999 15:14:01




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 Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to Mark V.S. in Austin, 11-13-1999 18:46:25  
NH or JD anything else is about worthless.



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highboyford

11-14-1999 12:33:26




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 Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to Mark V.S. in Austin, 11-13-1999 18:46:25  
If all you are going to do is bale straw than any of the balers will work.With the exception of I.H the balers made in the last thirty years all have about the same knotters and or tying system,I.H used their own and used the other system but owned the rights to both.The olivers came with both wire and twine(i,e 62t= twine62w=wire)when white screwed up oliver they sold the hay equipment to hesston.J.D makes a good baler as long as you dont try to bale corn stalks.As far as changing sizes they all do but I personally like how tight a N.H can pack a little bale.I dont think you will be looking for a baler with a thrower but if you do stay away from the oliver,whoever made the oliver thrower did not know what they were doing.Good luck

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Mark V.S. in Austin, TX

11-14-1999 17:24:47




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 Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to highboyford, 11-14-1999 12:33:26  
Thank you for your comments. Where I am, JD is not as well represented as some of the othe brands.

Do NH balers use wire or twine? (Wire is desireable for me.)

What NH bales allow you to change size easily? I was looking at an older one (model 77, self-powered) and it did not seem easy to change size.

Why do you think I will not need/want a thrower?

Mark V.S. in Austin, TX



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paul

11-15-1999 09:31:25




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 Re: Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to Mark V.S. in Austin, TX, 11-14-1999 17:24:47  
Throwers are hard on a bale. For your use, I'd assume you want good firm consistant bales. You'll want to handle them gently.

All I know is that 270 NH baler, but I 'hear' JD may produce more consistant sized bales (length). Mostly to keep the bales the same length, you will want a very consistant windrow of straw with any baler.

How many bales do you need in a year? A thousand, and any baler will get you through. 5-10,000, and I wouldn't want anything too old. Twenty or thirty thousand, and I would look at a pretty new machine to keep up.

As to the Oliver, it is real hard to get parts for anything other than tractors. Oliver bought a lot of short lines for it's machinery, then merged with MM & White, which was bought by Agco. At each step, some of these machinery lines were dumped. I would visit the dealer & find out if you can get parts before buying the machine.

My 270 is very easy to set the length of the bale, form about 5 inches (that was funny when the lock collar slipped down....) to, um, pretty long. I won't speak for other models.

--->Paul

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Mark V.S. in Austin, TX

11-15-1999 17:07:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to paul, 11-15-1999 09:31:25  
Thanks again for all the info. I will need about 1000 to 3000 bales a year for a while. Can not expect to need more than 5000/yr.

I do know that Oliver/White sold their baler unit to Hesston, then when Fiat (who owned Hesston at the time) bought Ford/New Holland they had to sell Hesston. It was bought 50/50 by Case and Agco, now Case is being bought by Fiat/New Holland and it looks like Agco will own all of Hesston (and White and what is left of Oliver).

Mark V.S. in Austin, TX

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paul

11-13-1999 19:57:40




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 Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to Mark V.S. in Austin, 11-13-1999 18:46:25  
Around here NH & John Deere are the only game in town, anything else is considered scrap iron. Can't say on personal experience, there has been a 270 NH on the place for all of my 38 years, only spent about $250 repairs in that time, 3-5000 bales per year, misses about a knot per 750 bales.

--->Paul



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Mark V.S. in Austin

11-13-1999 20:30:45




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 Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to paul, 11-13-1999 19:57:40  
Sounds good!

What size bales does it make? Can you vary the length easily?

When was a 270 model made?

Mark V.S. in Austin, TX



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Tom from Ontario

11-14-1999 20:13:32




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 Re: Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to Mark V.S. in Austin, 11-13-1999 20:30:45  
You don't want a thrower because you need square bales and the bales getting heaved into the wagons and landing with a thump bends or breaks them. I used to use a New Holland automatic bale wagon and a New Holland service rep asked me what kind of baler we used. I told him John Deere and he said good: don't use a New Holland unless the packer forks are well maintained, the knife is sharp and you have bale ramps in it. I found I could wind the Deere down tight until it was pounding hard with 70 horse at full throttle and I could make about 350 "bricks" per hour behind an Axial Flow combine. Yes, there are more New Hollands around, look after them and they are good balers. I worked on a stooker years ago behind a 62T Oliver and it sounded like it was going to fly apart but every bale was as good as you could want. The real stinkers were Case balers, that is, when Case was Case and not IH. Good Luck whatever you get. Tom

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Mark V.S. in Austin, TX

11-15-1999 17:10:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to Tom from Ontario, 11-14-1999 20:13:32  
Okay, no thrower!

Sounds like to you it is JD #1, NH #2, Oliver in there and Case last!

What about Hesston or IH?

Mark V.S. in Austin, TX



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highboyford

11-16-1999 16:36:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to Mark V.S. in Austin, TX, 11-15-1999 17:10:29  
Forget the I.H pretend you have never heard they built a baler.Or else you will be reading on the net on how to make homemade bombs:}Really go with the N.H or J.D or oliver/hesston.



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paul

11-16-1999 21:47:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to highboyford, 11-16-1999 16:36:14  
Oh, & there was an 'odd' brand of baler I read about a while back, should be really good, built by a regional shortline company, people swore by them. I think it was out west farther. Can't remember, and if you are the only one in the county owning one, parts & repairs are tougher anyhow....

--->Paul



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Tim(nj)

11-17-1999 18:52:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NH or Hesston or Oliver square baler in reply to paul, 11-16-1999 21:47:36  
The Freeman baler. Available in twine or wire, it makes a good bale, and it's heavy. Built to last, and very rebuildable, should it ever need it. But, it requires a larger capital outlay than the other brands when new, dealers seem to be few and far between (at least in the east and midwest), and it is rare on the used market. They do have a website, I'll try to find it.



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