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Kelly C

03-15-2005 19:58:07




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I still am thinking about making a big bale unroller. I have this thought rolling in my head about using a old NH chain baler for the parts donor.




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Tim Shultz

03-17-2005 17:58:24




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 Re: Kansas hayman in reply to Kelly C, 03-15-2005 19:58:07  
say kelly could you post a link to your web site?
if ya' could would it would be great. Tim



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Kelly C

03-18-2005 08:03:58




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 Re: Kansas hayman in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-17-2005 17:58:24  

Here you go



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James in NC

03-17-2005 06:41:46




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 Re: Kansas hayman in reply to Kelly C, 03-15-2005 19:58:07  
There is a guy in my area that does this with junk round bales that he gets for free or next to nothing. He has a 3pt unroller and unrolls the hay in about a 1 acre spot. The then runs his tedder over it as slow as possiable. The tedder going slow gives him 2 windrows. He then bales with his square baler. He then loads the hay on to tractor trailer flatbeds. The hay/straw is used by construction companies on road sides. A picture of the unroller is in the implement photos. Posted about a year ago, it is a Vermeer brand.

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THaden

03-17-2005 05:39:23




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 Re: Kansas hayman in reply to Kelly C, 03-15-2005 19:58:07  
we built one that goes on a skidsteer. picture a typial bale spear mounted on a plate that quick attaches to the loader arms. the spears are mounted on anoter plate with bearings that spins by a hydraulic motor. works great & was simple to build. not so simple to describe though. works so good we cant keep it at our farm. next time it comes back i will post a pic
THaden



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RickL

03-17-2005 05:28:04




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 Re: Kansas hayman in reply to Kelly C, 03-15-2005 19:58:07  
I have been doing it on and off several years,its not as easy as it looks,you must have a way to shred,tear the roll apart as it won't just unroll if it has been sitting for little bit,it will slug the small baler,had a unit built used it now it is gone working on another



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wolfmantractor

03-16-2005 16:31:57




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 Re: Kansas hayman in reply to Kelly C, 03-15-2005 19:58:07  
Great idea. You can take a $20 round bale & turn it into $60 worth of little squares & do it when you have time & don't have to store them all that evening. Such an unroller for your 3-pt suspends the bale above your square baler pick-up is on th market. It has only one problem- it's cost. But at least you don't have to re-invent the wheel!



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Debert

03-16-2005 09:48:07




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 Re: Kansas hayman in reply to Kelly C, 03-15-2005 19:58:07  
Kelly are you still wanting to use this so you can make big bales into little bales? Your idea looks like it would work you just need to funnel it down to the square baler and have fun. If it is to be used for grass hay this will work fine if alalfa then you might loose to many leaves. just my thoughts.



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wh

03-16-2005 06:10:49




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 Re: Kansas hayman in reply to Kelly C, 03-15-2005 19:58:07  
not sure what you are looking for. link is to a picture of a unroller we have built here at school. works great for unrolling large (pic is one for 5X6 rolls) rolls to feed from. those that have used it say they feed much less hay. can furnish additional pics if interested. also, this project was featured in FarmShow, Progressive Farmer, Farm Journal, and GrainNews (Manitoba, Canada).

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Ron in AR

03-16-2005 06:06:14




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 Re: Kansas hayman in reply to Kelly C, 03-15-2005 19:58:07  
Hi Kelly, We plan on building one someday soon ourselves. Can"t really show you a sketch or anything, but here is the way we are thinking about making it.... a simple cradle-like pipe cage with two smooth fore and aft free rolling rollers and two toothed powered bottom rollers. Might need to add a couple of light rollers down low to keep the bale in place as it gets smaller, not sure yet. My thoughts are that the teeth on the bottom rollers will not only keep the bale going, but should produce enough drag on the layer to keep the hay coming off. Course, you know how great ideas are, look good on the drawing board, but in practice... we"ll see. Good luck!

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Tim Shultz

03-16-2005 15:44:34




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 Re: Kansas hayman in reply to Ron in AR, 03-16-2005 06:06:14  
like I said before, can't see that it makes sence, it would cost WAAAAA AAY to much to get started, and I have much better things to do with my time. but if you don't have nothing to do all winter long and like blowing a lot of money, then by all means it is a good idea.
but I can't see a resone to do it. to much time money and labor. not for me, I would just bale small square bales to start with! just my .02
Tim

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Ron in AR

03-16-2005 17:30:11




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 Re: Kansas hayman in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-16-2005 15:44:34  
Well, here's my take on it. I do almost all my haying by myself (rare when I have any kind of helper). I do between 3-5 cuttings a year (depending on weather) on about 120 acres. I have both a round and a square baler. I bale the hay to sell. If I do the square bales in the field, by the time I bale, load, unload and stack say 300 bales (no kicker, no conveyor, all done by hand) I could have baled and put away 200 round bales. Come winter, I can make the square bales as needed and keep pace with demand. I have a lot more storage space for round bales than I do for square. Last season, I sold a lot of square bales. This year only about half as many. But I can sell all the round bales in my barn before I make the fist cutting each year. By making the squares as needed, I won't have any excess at the end of the year. You are right about your time being worth something, but unsold hay is worth nothing to me. If I have what my customers want, I have a better chance of selling more. Plus, hay in the barn is way better than hay that's been rained on, or cut late, or any of the other downfalls of the weather and time. Oh, and I forgot to mention that all this is in addition to my other full time job. When you're trying to make something work, you make adjustments to the way you have to do it. There's my reasoning and it works for me. If something else works better for others, then they do it that way for thier reason. To each thier own, right? Ron

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Kelly C

03-15-2005 20:53:35




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 Re: Ok here is a dumb drawing of it in reply to Kelly C, 03-15-2005 19:58:07  
third party image

Kind of a idea any way.



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Tim Shultz

03-16-2005 10:05:02




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 Re: Ok here is a dumb drawing of it in reply to Kelly C, 03-15-2005 20:53:35  
I want to know what it is for? why in the world would you want to unroll a round bale? seems like a wast of time to me...
by the way Kelly, are you retired? I just a wanabe farmer? lol just kidding, don't mean to make anybody mad. just can't see how somebody would have that much time on his hands. Tim



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dr.sportster

03-17-2005 08:43:19




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 Re: Ok here is a dumb drawing of it in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-16-2005 10:05:02  
Contractors will pay 8.00 a square bale to avoid getting fines for allowing mud to get on highways etc.Also used in toxic clean up sites and racetracks[cars not horse].City slickers need bales too for many purposes.



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kyhayman

03-16-2005 13:06:16




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 Re: Ok here is a dumb drawing of it in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-16-2005 10:05:02  
Depending on location this can be right lucrative. I've been toying with the idea myself. Right off the top a 1000# round bale which will bring $25 here, stored inside will unroll into 20, 50# small squares worth $3 (and up) each for a net gain of $35 for the same amount of hay. At an effective processing rate of 250 small squares per hour (capacity of the baler I was looking at using) thats an $875 per hour return to labor, management, and equipment. Fully automated with a conveyer back to the barn using an existing baler was going to take about a $20,000 capital investment in my case (prorated over a 7 year life for about $7000 per year in capital costs). With an hourly operating cost of something like $100 (2 hired men, electricity (looking at an all electric system), and parts). Including profit, I would need to run the system for about 5000 bales a year to make an acceptable return.

Advantages, round bales, my daily capacity is about 110 round bales rolled and stacked in the barn with 2 men. Square bales is around 1500 in good timothy but about 1200 in alfalfa. A net gain of about 1000 square bale equivelents per day. Also makes things a lot simpler, there are plenty of custom round balers here, hard to find help to load small squares if the bale wagon breaks down and I've got the only baler around close with a 1/4 turn bale chute. Would spread out work load into the winter months enabling more effective use of good drying weather. Plus there is a plentiful supply of roundbales to be had cheap here in most years if one wants to increase market.

Its a lot like the double compressed market for export. I would have never considered taking small squares, double compressing them and tying with plastic bands, then loading into an ocean going container for export. But some folks in Canada sure did and it looks like they are doing well with it.

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wolfmantractor

03-16-2005 16:45:23




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 Re: Ok here is a dumb drawing of it in reply to kyhayman, 03-16-2005 13:06:16  
Yea. And you said that well!



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wolfmantractor

03-16-2005 16:40:21




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 Re: Ok here is a dumb drawing of it in reply to kyhayman, 03-16-2005 13:06:16  
Yea. And you said that well!



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Jerry D in NC

03-16-2005 15:20:32




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 Re: Ok here is a dumb drawing of it in reply to kyhayman, 03-16-2005 13:06:16  
I can see you are right passionate about this subject. Don't think I have seen you quad post in ages.... LOL



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kyhayman

03-16-2005 18:28:35




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 Re: Ok here is a dumb drawing of it in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-16-2005 15:20:32  
And the scarey part is I have no idea how I did it. I responded from my computer at work and it locked up. Couldnt go forward couldnt go backwards. In fact the last two got posted AFTER I left work and came home which is bizzare beyond belief. If I'm hung up in the server I dont know how to make it stop.

Made way more a 'statement' than I intended to, my apologies to all.



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kyhayman

03-16-2005 13:04:48




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 Re: Ok here is a dumb drawing of it in reply to Tim Shultz, 03-16-2005 10:05:02  
Depending on location this can be right lucrative. I've been toying with the idea myself. Right off the top a 1000# round bale which will bring $25 here, stored inside will unroll into 20, 50# small squares worth $3 (and up) each for a net gain of $35 for the same amount of hay. At an effective processing rate of 250 small squares per hour (capacity of the baler I was looking at using) thats an $875 per hour return to labor, management, and equipment. Fully automated with a conveyer back to the barn using an existing baler was going to take about a $20,000 capital investment in my case (prorated over a 7 year life for about $7000 per year in capital costs). With an hourly operating cost of something like $100 (2 hired men, electricity (looking at an all electric system), and parts). Including profit, I would need to run the system for about 5000 bales a year to make an acceptable return.

Advantages, round bales, my daily capacity is about 110 round bales rolled and stacked in the barn with 2 men. Square bales is around 1500 in good timothy but about 1200 in alfalfa. A net gain of about 1000 square bale equivelents per day. Also makes things a lot simpler, there are plenty of custom round balers here, hard to find help to load small squares if the bale wagon breaks down and I've got the only baler around close with a 1/4 turn bale chute. Would spread out work load into the winter months enabling more effective use of good drying weather. Plus there is a plentiful supply of roundbales to be had cheap here in most years if one wants to increase market.

Its a lot like the double compressed market for export. I would have never considered taking small squares, double compressing them and tying with plastic bands, then loading into an ocean going container for export. But some folks in Canada sure did and it looks like they are doing well with it.

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