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Changing Rotation

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pbutler

03-14-2005 08:44:01




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I currently have 80 acres of corn and 80 acres of beans/rotated every year.

Am taking over a farm across the road next year which has 120 acres-all corn this year.

Not wanting to put all my eggs in 1 basket I want to keep close to a 50/50 rotation....so I want to change one of my 80s-and alternate corn on one farm and beans on the other and then alternate the whole locations.

What would you guys think may be the best way-put beans in 2 years in a row or corn in 2 years straight on on of my 80s?

I am trying to stay no till, but will do what needs to be done. Not particularly interested in continuous corn as all but 1 80 I have is a little rolling.

Paul

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Iowa Jim

03-14-2005 20:12:26




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 Re: Changing Rotation in reply to pbutler, 03-14-2005 08:44:01  
I heard this quote today:

"Farmers plant soybeans because they have too. They plant corn because the want to.?

The yield and cash flow advantage of planing corn is compelling me and other farmers in our area to increase our corn on corn acres substantially.

Jim



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RickL

03-14-2005 17:39:55




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 Re: Changing Rotation in reply to pbutler, 03-14-2005 08:44:01  
corn would be choice hands down in my experience. Beans are really hard to be even profitable period anymore.I know at least five large farmwers in my area that are quiting raising soybean because of such small or no returns.



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JMS/MN

03-14-2005 12:34:35




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 Re: Changing Rotation in reply to pbutler, 03-14-2005 08:44:01  
The farm you are taking over- are you buying or renting? Renting- then how long. Beans on beans around here typically means about 3% drop in yield. If both parcels are in the USDA program, what impact on base acreages will there be on your choice of fields and crops? If you bought the 120 you can reconstitute the entire operation- if renting, your field and crop choices have another impact.



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pbutler

03-14-2005 13:45:34




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 Re: Changing Rotation in reply to JMS/MN, 03-14-2005 12:34:35  
Renting-from Parents (who do not farm)-I just started farming so ramping up slowly. But ovbiously I am not worried about losing the ground so want to plan long term.

3% yeild drop in beans on beans doesn't bother me. I just wondered if I would still be $ ahead taking one of my 80s and doing corn on corn for 1 year and still come out ahead over beans. I know anything is a crapshoot due to weather, market prices, etc. but playing the odds.

I hadn't even considered until you mentioned it about how this would affect USDA DCP/Countercyclical programs. I guess I need to look into that too. Any insight on that?

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JMS/MN

03-15-2005 08:08:03




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 Re: Changing Rotation in reply to pbutler, 03-14-2005 13:45:34  
Years ago the next program bases for each farm were determined by recent history- sometimes past three, sometimes past five year crop history. One could build base by keeping a farm out of the program and planting it all in corn, wheat, etc. Soybeans had no base. Splitting crops on each farm would provide a different history than planting the entire farm to corn one year and beans the next. No one knows what the next program will be, how the current history will be used.

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paul

03-14-2005 11:15:53




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 Re: Changing Rotation in reply to pbutler, 03-14-2005 08:44:01  
It depends on your location for disease issues.

Corn on corn take more fert and an insecticide, but is quite dependable and there are common options to control the issues. In many locations corn nets a bit more money most of the time, so folks overload on corn.

Beans on bean works well in some locations, but is a horrible disaster in others with white mold, root rots, and other build up of pests. There is no good way to fight these issues.

Add in the risk of aphids & bean rust from the last 3 years, and beans on beans is the riskier option with usually a lower net return to boot.

But, I was in a similar situation on a very small field last year, put beans on beans & it out-yielded my whole farm average.....

--->Paul

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jhill

03-14-2005 10:39:36




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 Re: Changing Rotation in reply to pbutler, 03-14-2005 08:44:01  
I would go with 2 yrs of soybeans. I know some guys who grow them more than one yr. They grow a different variety each year to get away from disease problems.



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