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Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs

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Dug

03-12-2005 18:26:34




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Might be a silly question, but...

What is the difference between lift and pull type hogs? I have a JD 2510, 52 hp and am currently using a 5 foot hog and would like to upsize. On another thread, there was discussion about being able to pull a wider mower with the "pull type".

My guess is, lift is hooked to the 3 point and can be "lifted", but why would this make a difference on size of mower?

BTW, what is the largest mower I could pull with 52 horsies?

Thanks,

Dug

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wolfmantractor

03-16-2005 17:03:45




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
If you want to make time cutting & cut with ease, go with the pull-type. 3-pointers drift & flop on hillsides & everytime you turn the steering wheel- and mowers are designed to mow while traveling forward. Pull type is always level with the ground & just follows you around. Also, note that not all rotaries take the same hp. For instance, we have a 7 -ft with one 7 ft blade that cuts cleaner & with less power than each of two 6 footers we have- they have the shorter blades (2) attached to a disc-like center hub. Crowd them, they leave streaks, take more hp & don't seem to have the suction, clean sweep ability of the big single. Also have a 12 footer-it would need two 2510's in heavy grass-maybe three.

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jeff 00

03-13-2005 14:08:10




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
What is your terrain like! seems that would have a bearing on the size .



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Dug

03-13-2005 20:12:57




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to jeff 00, 03-13-2005 14:08:10  
Hey Jeff,

Terrain is pretty flat (I live in beautiful and scenic Kansas). I do have a number of terraces and bumps here and there. My brush hog does a wonderful job of scalping and skipping these areas. Would a pull type mower make a difference as opposed to the lift type?

Dug



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jeff 00

03-14-2005 06:34:31




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-13-2005 20:12:57  
dug: if scalping is the concern I would prefeer a a flex wing or batwing . the pull type will not scalp quiet as bad due to having 2 wheels on back Vs 1 on most of the smaller lift mowers. just my opinion.



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kelvin

03-13-2005 13:32:51




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
having used both types of 5 footers, the 3-point wins hands down for manuverability of the tractor. The only thing to be aware of is the back of the 3-point mower will swing in the opposite direction you turn.
Everyone is correct when they say you can pull a much wider pull type, however.



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commish

03-13-2005 13:27:58




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
I had a woods hd315 cutter (15 ft batwing) that I pulled with a 40 hp allis chalmers tractor then a 52 hp long tractor now I pull a bush hog 2615L cutter (15 ft also) with the long tractor and it does fine in south texas brush and various grasses at 5mph with a cutting height of 7-8 inches. Grass will pull harder than brush but I can still pull this cutter at 5 mph in all but bahia grass.



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Mac

03-13-2005 09:44:59




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
Depends what you"re cutting. Tall thick bahia can be pretty difficult and slow , while bermuda is a breeze. You might want to ask neighbor with same grass what he can get by with. You don"t gain any time if you jump to 10 or 12" and have to cut your speed in half. I don"t think a 5 footer is big enough for the 2510"s footprint though. I like a cutter to extend beyond tires to cut close to fence lines etc.

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Dug

03-13-2005 20:09:52




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Mac, 03-13-2005 09:44:59  
Hey Mac,

Your are right about the 5 footer not covering the tracks. I need at least 7 foot wide, would like to go bigger if I can afford it.

I am just mowing fescue, most of the brush has been cleaned up. Took about three years, but the trash is gone, just growing grass now.


Dug



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Randy-IA

03-13-2005 09:12:10




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
Hi, Last year before my 1755 oliver gave up I used a 7' unknown brand but very heavy 3-point cutter . Without any front weight on the tractor ( it weighs in around 12,500 lbs with fluid in rears ) the front was so light I had to use the wheel brakes to help it turn with the mower in the air on the trip back to it's owners place . It started raining hard and I had to go down a narrow unimproved steep banked mud road to get there . It was a learning experience ! Steering the tractor with the brakes on mud . I didn't think I was gonna survive it without some damage at the very least but I got there and then took the highway back home . Just something to think about . ...Randy

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Fred Zelch

03-13-2005 07:40:40




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
What are you mowing? I clip pastures and some CRP ground and pull a 9.5' Woods mower off the drawbar with a 550 Oliver,(40hp). Little tractor works fine. Couldn't begin to lift it on the 3pt. without a lot of added front weight. If you are working in a semi wooded area the narrower lift type machine may be better. Fred



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Leroy

03-13-2005 07:00:54




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
Weight for 3 point and also pull type for tractors without a 3 point or in some instances more managable for handling



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Allan in NE

03-13-2005 06:14:42




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
Hi Dug,

It isn't a question of wheather the tractor will pull it or not; it is a matter of where the weight is located.

I use this 7' heavy thing. Without any front weights and all that weight hanging so far back, it sijmply pulls that tractor front end right off the ground.

Allan

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Dug

03-13-2005 20:04:56




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Allan in NE, 03-13-2005 06:14:42  
Allan,

I suppose weight would be the deciding factor. With that Farmhand loader hanging off the front end, weight has never been an issue. That 7 footer you have would be just about perfect, the 5 footer I'm using now doesn't cover the tire tracks and just takes to dog gone long to get r done. It's just about auction season around here. Maybe I'll get lucky this year!

Dug



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Hay Dr

03-13-2005 05:10:22




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
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Your tractor has enough HP even to pull a 8" double spindle 3 point mower. A 6" 3 point mower is usually the norm foe that tractor. The problem with a 7" 3 point mower the weight is centered so far back it would make your tractor unstable. A 8" cutter is basically 2-4" cutters together. A 8" cutter yields a cleaner cut than a 7" cutter and a 8" cutter pulls with less HP.

The Servis-Rhino 8" 3 point cutter pictured below needs only 30 HP.

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Indydirtfarmer

03-13-2005 04:58:51




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
The only real advantage I see is that with a pull-type, you're not lifting all that weight with the 3 point. You could use a heavier, and therefore WIDER mower. I use a 7' Woods BB8400 on a 60 HP tractor. It's well under the width that it'll handle, but the weight is all it wants. If I went bigger, it would almost have to be a drawn mower.



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old

03-12-2005 19:27:29




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 Re: Lift v Pull Type Bush Hogs in reply to Dug, 03-12-2005 18:26:34  
Well think about it a 6 or 7 foot 3 point bruch hog is about all you want to lift or the tractor gets to light on the front. But with a pull type you can go with a bat wing and with 50HP you should be able to run a 10,12 foot or maybe bigger.



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