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Can I pull 40ft?

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mk4020

03-08-2005 07:33:02




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I have a JD 4620 that has an easy load on my JD C20 20ft field cultivator in 5th gear. There is a JD 1010 40ft coming up on a farm auction nearby and I'm wondering if I could pull it if I used 4th gear with a little more throttle?




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Hugh MacKay

03-09-2005 02:39:48




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to mk4020, 03-08-2005 07:33:02  
mk: Very simple answer, if cultivator is modern S tine and you plan on running 3 to 5 inches deep, your going to need 1.25 to 1.5 hp per tine. I don't care whether tractor is a Farmall Super A, Deere 4620 or a Deere 8640. They will all come out the same.

Lets face it you want to pull that cultivator 5 to 6 mph for optium results in seedbed preperation. Some guys say faster, that is fine just takes more hp, more hip aches, (old guys only) and more broken tines or shanks. Depends on how much money you want left for you.

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You been farmin long?

03-08-2005 18:43:42




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to mk4020, 03-08-2005 07:33:02  
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mk4020

03-08-2005 19:33:46




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to You been farmin long?, 03-08-2005 18:43:42  
Yes, actually I have. I thought my question was a intelligent one. I never go deeper than 3" and as I stated my tractor is almost toying around with 20ft in my soil. If I had asked about a chisel plow going 6-7" deep then I would agree that I asked a stupid question. As for everyone else, thanks for your replies. mk4020 in Alberta.



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paul

03-08-2005 22:09:04




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to mk4020, 03-08-2005 19:33:46  
How do you cover your wheel tracks going so shallow? We need to go 5" around here to get anything accompliished, a chisel plow goes 9-11 inches deep.

Guess that is what made your question seem odd, never heard of such a light tractor handling that much field cultivator.

Always something to learn on the internet, what is common 'here' is unheard of 'there', and the other way around. :)

--->Paul

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mk4020

03-09-2005 08:26:36




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to paul, 03-08-2005 22:09:04  
Paul, your right, different areas different practices. I do my deep tillage in the fall with my plow if time permits or my heavy disk or chisel plow. In spring I make a pass lengthwise and crosswise with the field cultivator shallow and one pass with my rodweeder just before seeding. Then I move in with the pressdrills, harrow it and I'm done. I don't have a problem with wheel tracks except in the hollows but the cultivator automatically sinks in further to compensate. Around here if you work too deep in spring the soil gets way too loose and seeding depth accuracy becomes very difficult. Most 130-140hp tractors here are pulling 26-30ft at 4". I just thought if the 1010 went cheap I'd give it a shot because it's close by. 6 miles west of me the soils are much different, more of a hard gumbo type. One farmer I know has a 4620 that is maxed out in 4th with a 12ft chisel plow. I pull 18ft in 5th at about 7"

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Hugh MacKay

03-09-2005 02:26:57




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to paul, 03-08-2005 22:09:04  
Paul: Not hard to go 3" deep, Remove all excess weight from tractor, chloride, wheel weights, etc. and replace it with rubber on the ground.

I had a 26' cultivator I pulled with 1066. On singles loaded with chloride (1st year only) I could never get rid of wheel tracks, annoyed me greatly while drilling or planting corn. Second year I dumped the chloride went to duals. The tractor actually pulled the cultivator with much more ease. I will grant you 1066 would not pull as much on a hard road with duals and no chloride, but I never planed on doing much farming out there.

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paul

03-09-2005 11:30:48




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-09-2005 02:26:57  
Yea, my TW-20 is dualed & has only a very small cast weight on each rear, no fliud.

In my heavy clay & muck soils, I can spin it out with the 22' field cultivator.

In my part of Minnesota, we deal with very heavy, very wet, very cold spring soils. You leave a track walking across it on foot..... One must get in & stir up the ground so it dries out & warms up enough to plant, or I would need to wait until June to put a seed in the ground.

One leaves a wheel track with a light tractor in those conditions.

For oats & such, I use the very light gas tractors & light implements (a spike tooth harrow) to try to dry things out early - can use the big tractor to pull it out when I get stuck. Not if. :)

Like I say, different conditions for different folks, that is what I like about places like this - can see how different things must be done in different areas.

The flip side is, one can get real 'crazy' answers if one doesn't explain the special conditions one is operating in. On a real farming site I frequent, a plow & almost any tillage is considered a sin against humanity - waste of fuel, recreational tillage, yadda yadda - those are all Ill & Ohio & Nebraska folks talking, where no-till _is_ the best way. They don't know anything else, if they tried that here in my soil & my climate, we would be attending their sheriff's auction in 2-3 years. :)

Never heard of doing such light tillage with a field cultivator, would be no point to it in my condions - would only leave muddy ruts. Nice to hear how it is done & why in other places. :)

--->Paul

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Hound

03-08-2005 16:54:54




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to mk4020, 03-08-2005 07:33:02  
Sure you can pull it fine. Sorry though, not with what you got...if its a good price and a tri-fold, maybe you could pull a section off each side. Hound



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Hound

03-08-2005 16:54:16




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to mk4020, 03-08-2005 07:33:02  
Sure you can pull it fine. Sorry though, not with what you got...if its a good price and a tri-fold, maybe you could pull a section off each side. Hound



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thejdman01

03-08-2005 15:39:24




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to mk4020, 03-08-2005 07:33:02  
absolutly it will. all day long up and down the road. but seriously yes you probably could pull it if you had duals alot of weight and a really low gear and enjoyed replacing clutches, but if any of the above isnt what you want i would say no. reason i say duals and weight is you better have 4 tires dug in deep and pulling 2 will jsut sit on top and spin



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Hydraulic front wheel 462

03-08-2005 15:32:20




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 YES! You can! in reply to mk4020, 03-08-2005 07:33:02  
IF your using the cultivator as a drag and only if depth is above two inches.



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Pawel

03-08-2005 14:58:46




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to mk4020, 03-08-2005 07:33:02  
No, you"d be better off pulling a 25" MAYBE 30" if conditons are absoloutly perfect. I"d settle for a 25 foot, pull in 4th or 5th and have a bit of reserve power.

Have fun and God bless!

Pawel



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JMS/MN

03-08-2005 14:50:48




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to mk4020, 03-08-2005 07:33:02  
Wishfull thinking- big time. 4620 is a two wheel drive, hp 150-160? Granted, too big for your current 20 ft machine. Traction is also an issue, as well as tooth style on the implement. I ran a 24 foot Wilrich on my 2470, 175 hp 4wd dualled, and could get it stuck. Good conditions in heavy ground we wouldn't go over 30 feet. Maybe could after I put the 240 hp Cummins 855 in it. I'd rather go with speed than width- creates a reserve for the tough spots. But the 4620 on forty feet? No way.

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paul

03-08-2005 12:14:37




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to mk4020, 03-08-2005 07:33:02  
I don't know anything about JD so don't know what your tractor is - I pull 22' with 140 hp. For 40' I'd want north of 220hp.

--->Paul



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thurlow

03-08-2005 08:11:53




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 Re: Can I pull 40ft? in reply to mk4020, 03-08-2005 07:33:02  
If you're using your field cultivator as a finishing tool.....maybe; if you're using it as a secondary tillage tool.....no way. Had a 25 foot Glencoe; had to remove some plows.....making it about 22 foot.....in order to pull it with the 4620s we had.



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