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Fuel and Fertilizer costs!!!!

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RichG

03-07-2005 19:26:02




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Fertilixer up about $50 a ton. Potash going through the roof because everything is being shipped to China. And farm fuel prices up to record levels, what will people be charging for hay and will the horse owners pay it?




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Gary in TX

03-08-2005 13:14:30




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 Re: Fuel and Fertilizer costs!!!! in reply to RichG, 03-07-2005 19:26:02  
Personally I say the heck with the Chinese, stop the exportation over there and help out our own country. Put Americans back too work, open up the Alaskan areas for oil drilling, the heck with the enviromentalist too! Quit sending millions and billions in aid to foreign countries who just spit on us, put that money to work help us here at home. I'm really beginning to wonder about the phrase land of opportunity anymore. Too much immigration, to much dependance on other countries for products and services, too many young people coming on that can't tie their shoes, and not enough coming on that can do the basic work that sustains life. It boils down too this boys and if you don't agree thats fine, but from what I see alot around here is that too much emphasis is put on technology, technology is fine and good but when you have people out there that don't even know where their food comes from, its gone too far. I say lets take things back about 30 years or so and get our country back again. I had a kid come up too me at the store one year when I was filling up the diesel tank in the back of the truck, he had a flat, came over too me too ask if I had something to take the center thing(thats how he said it) off his wheel, I told him to hang on a second and we'll see. I walked over(not knowing what all he had done so far) and saw a truck jacked up, all the lug nuts off and the wheel just sitting on the lug bolts. Poor kid had no clue it just came off. I have seen several cases like this and I'm sure yall have too. We are graduating too many ignorant kids these days. Take the dam computors out of grade school, teach the kids some common sense and let them learn how to add and subtract on paper and make them learn how too do things without pushing buttons first. I'm not saying that computors are bad, I like mine but I can add and subtract adn I can fix a flat. I'm not just talking about changing flat tire with a spare. I can break em down, patch em adn remount em too. Lets see some of these young bucks coming on now try too do it. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to put myself above anyone else by any means cause I have my faults too but I do have common sense and the mechanical ability to fix things and actually work with my hands. Shoot sorry guys, I got on a roll and a soapbox but its one of my pet pieves. We are depending too much on technology and I believe its really hurting us more than we know. Hope I didn't vere off topic too much here

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thejdman01

03-08-2005 13:51:47




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 Re: Fuel and Fertilizer costs!!!! in reply to Gary in TX, 03-08-2005 13:14:30  
i totally agree w/gary of tx. when my son was in 3rd grade he had to have a calculator. the kid is sharp very darn sharp went through calculus. proud of him and dont take this the wrong way but the darn kid take a way his calculator hes dead. he can sit here and push buttons and make this thing do in 2 minutes what i cant do in 2 years. he can graph imaginary numbers on that thing but ask him to accurately read a tape measure, wont happen. to measurements freactions in his head. add subtract multiply in his head nope. the old man can do it quicker then he can and hes probably forgotton more (not mechanical knowlege) but facts about bands etc etc then i will know. i dont think its right. but anto the ? i get 3 around here. i think we all need to stop growing anything for one year. but then again that would benefit brazil they wouldnt care. we spend all this money on technology seeds research etc only to send the technology overseas as foreign aid. i know alot of guys only have farming as income and couldnt go a year w/o farming but at these prices you would probably be farther ahead to just leave the stuff sit. guys around here buying 200,000 combines i dont know how they do it. i really dont. i cant afford the old 6620. i do know how some of them do it, they sold land in by chicago some sold by the square foot i heard prices as high as 250,000 an acre and 200 acre lots were being sold. if i had that kind of money i guess i could afford a 200,000 combine and not care. oh well. cant change it

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paul

03-08-2005 13:11:27




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 Re: Fuel and Fertilizer costs!!!! in reply to RichG, 03-07-2005 19:26:02  
Alfalfa is $2.50 a bale, grass hay $1.50 around here, too much real farming. Horse people have a hobby, & will pay you anything.

Try growing corn for $1.80 a bu or beans for $5.30 on the fuel & fertilizer costs. Ain't no one going to pay you a premium for those....

--->Paul



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Dave H (MI)

03-08-2005 10:45:32




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 Re: Fuel and Fertilizer costs!!!! in reply to RichG, 03-07-2005 19:26:02  
My experience is that horse owners will pay anything when the loft starts looking empty. I had a complete stranger come to the door last fall saying she saw my wagons down the road loaded. Said she needed hay and couldn't find it anywhere. I told her she could have a whole wagon at $3.50 per bale and she dropped on her knees and kissed my feet. My 14 year old daughter was standing behind me when I turned around and her chin had almost hit the floor.
Point is....they get pretty desperate. As hard as it is to do hay, I am glad to see a little money come in from it. Hate to see it all go out the back door for chemicals. I'm just going to get the spreader out and park it outside the neighbors stable and let that be my "chemical" for a while.

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Tim(nj)

03-08-2005 09:13:28




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 Re: Fuel and Fertilizer costs!!!! in reply to RichG, 03-07-2005 19:26:02  
Currently I"m getting $3.50 per bale for timothy. I might be OK as far as fertilizer goes because soil tests indicate I overapplied P and K last year or two so I can use a lower rate this year. Off-road diesel is $1.90 a gallon here, must pay current price, can"t lock prices ahead anymore, suppliers won"t do it.



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Kirb

03-08-2005 08:56:12




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 Re: Fuel and Fertilizer costs!!!! in reply to RichG, 03-07-2005 19:26:02  
I am curious to know where you guys are getting diesel for $1.50. Here in southern Iowa we are paying 1.80 for diesel. I agree with the person that bought a spreader, I think that is about the cheapest fertilizer you can get.



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Indydirtfarmer

03-08-2005 07:26:50




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 Re: Fuel and Fertilizer costs!!!! in reply to RichG, 03-07-2005 19:26:02  
I look for a few "marginal operators" to get out of the market over the next couple years. That will reduce competition somewhat, and actually IMPROVE the situation for a lean, efficient operation. Survival of the fittest. That won't be so nice for some, but others will prosper.

Now, more than ever before, it's important to know all you can about running a solid business.

And it's only going to get tougher as time goes by.

JMHO, John

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kyhayman

03-08-2005 07:09:41




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 Re: Fuel and Fertilizer costs!!!! in reply to RichG, 03-07-2005 19:26:02  
I dont think hay prices will move up much except on local shortages for a few years. Too much competition out there that will keep a lid on hay prices. Wont see real movement until people begin to stop producing. So far, people who booked fertilizer and fuel early should be ok this year. I raised my prices $.50 a bale on small squares two years ago. Think I can hold off another year with the input costs I locked. Maybe get back some of the market share I lost when I went up. Potash was bad, that really hurt, I got 10 tons in Oct for $200, and another 8 tons Jan 1 at $230. DAP was down $10 at $305 when I locked, Ammonium Nitrate was up $30 at $230. Diesel at $1.51 on a 3000 gallon booking. I try to book everything I can first week of January, based on previous years consumption. Never failed to make money doing that.

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Tim(nj)

03-08-2005 08:57:25




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 Unless they don't honor the pre-book in reply to kyhayman, 03-08-2005 07:09:41  
That just happened here. New regional management at fertilizer company is not honoring the pre-book at lower prices. Choice is take your money back or pay higher. Only 2 places to buy fertilzer in bulk around here, and the other guys didn"t take pre-orders this year. I haven"t been able to lock a price on diesel for the past 2 years, either. None of the suppliers want to do it anymore.



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kyhayman

03-08-2005 10:30:06




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 Re: Unless they don't honor the pre-book in reply to Tim(nj), 03-08-2005 08:57:25  
I had to change suppliers this spring because of it. Local co-op was being pushed from corporate to not pre book. Having to haul 10 miles further but actually saved significantly on N. Last year he had sold 11,000 tons prepay. They realized too late the the business was gone as the other dealers were filling the needs. Petroleum dealers used to really scream about offering prepay, now th only three bulk distributors left are the one that offered it. They do what the fertilizer dealers do, when we pay, they order it. Its actually 'my' stuff in the bins. Catch is, what I dont use I lose (and they get to resell at the higher in season price).

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paul

03-08-2005 13:08:36




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 Re: Unless they don't honor the pre-book in reply to kyhayman, 03-08-2005 10:30:06  
The coops are saying they will no longer be able to get fert delivery when they call - they will need to pre-book fert 9 months to 12 months in advance, & will need to know how much we will buy as well. Or no one will be happy. They figure they can get through this year, but by next year we need to lock in or face 'nothing to buy'.

Fuel coop talks about pre-booking fuel at _every_ meeting. I went there after one of the meetings and asked about it, they said no contracts at this time, they will put me on a list & contact me when one can prebook. That was 2 years ago, & 3-4 more meetings where they say we all should be pre-booking. Still haven't called me back tho....

--->Paul

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old

03-07-2005 21:25:19




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 Re: Fuel and Fertilizer costs!!!! in reply to RichG, 03-07-2005 19:26:02  
Thats why I got a spreader this year figure I should let the animals do the fettilizeing



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Kelly C

03-07-2005 20:57:41




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 Re: Fuel and Fertilizer costs!!!! in reply to RichG, 03-07-2005 19:26:02  
I was talking about that today. Melvin accross the rd said he just paid $1.50 gal to fill up his tank. He said he may try getting by a year not putting any thing on his hay this year. I have to put some thing on mine. Dont really feel like dumping a grand on the field before I get any hay off. WHew!



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