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pbutler

03-02-2005 18:29:42




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I am a 2nd year farmer-have had all my planting done custom my first two years. I am planning on buy a planter next year. I currently only farm 160 acres but will be moving up and stopping at about 350 over the next 2 years.

Current tractors are a JD 4630 (150hp) and Massey 255 (50hp)-neither of which is a great planting tractor (one too big-one too small) but no new tractors in the budget for a while.

I am not a green biggot but lean towards John Deere primarily due to dealer location. I am thinking a JD 7000, or 7200, either a 6 or 8 row. Possibly a Kinze-as I really don't like the idea of a vaccuum planter all that much-also due to maintenance and questionable hydraulics on both my tractors. However I do want something that is going to do the job and give me a decent stand over complely chincing out and losing more in yeild than I save on the planter.

I should mention I am no-till-and do only corn and soybeans. I don't mind spending the money to add on row-cleaners or tillage coulters-but proabably don't have the funds to do that to a 12-row.

My budget will of course depend of crops the next couple years but I would estimate the finance committee (wife) will allocate somewhere between $5,000-$6,000. I don't mind elbow grease and doing a little fix up to save some money but don't want to rescue something from the grave either.

What advice would you guys give for my situation? Can I find something that will work decently in that price range?

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FordTractorMan

03-07-2005 12:00:08




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 Re: Planter Advice in reply to pbutler, 03-02-2005 18:29:42  
I may be a little too late here, but you can buy a 7100 JD (a mounted 7000) pretty cheap. I've got an 8 row 7100 and like it a lot. You can back up to the fence and plant corners real nice. I bought mine for $3250 10 yrs. ago and it's been great every year. It needs some work right now, but it's still a good planter. Your 4630 would get along fine w/it.



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pbutler

03-04-2005 06:33:39




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 Re: Planter Advice-Thank you! in reply to pbutler, 03-02-2005 18:29:42  
Thanks a lot for the input, that is what I was needing to hear.

Since I run a six row cornhead I think I will keep my eyes open for a decent 6-row 7000.



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big jt

03-03-2005 23:47:07




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 Re: Planter Advice in reply to pbutler, 03-02-2005 18:29:42  
Forgot to mention.

You are spot on right to be concerend about the hydraulics of the vacuum units. Your 4630 should handle it but wouldn't bet on the massey. Deere does have a PTO pump for use on smaller tractors but those can be problematic. They chew up the PTO shafts.

jt



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big jt

03-03-2005 23:40:38




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 Re: Planter Advice in reply to pbutler, 03-02-2005 18:29:42  
As others have said your budget should buy a good 7000 6 row. They can be bought right partly because everyone thinks they need bigger and newer (I shouldn't talk 12 row 7000 on 500 A).

One suggestion steer clear of mounted's I had a 12 R 500 cyclo with a 1070 Case. It allowed me to convert to narrow rows on a tight budget but turning on the ends was like waltzing with a elephant.

Replacement size on the disc openers is 14.5 inches, the depth wheels should rub the openers, press wheel frames and depth wheel arms are other wear points. The clutch has given me some problems but with grease and only pulling 6 rows should last you a long time. Talk to a good planter mecahnic if you have one in your area for other pointers.

Local JD dealer put together a kit to update the transmission to the 7200 ratios. I know it needed a different sprocket on the wheel. Makes it nice to get the population tuned in just right. Upgrade gives you jumps of 1000 PPA instead of the wider gap that was original. Don't remember how much the kit cost. Kit is not a JD item but was put together with JD parts at the local dealer.

JM2CW

jt

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Leroy

03-03-2005 17:29:56




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 Re: Planter Advice in reply to pbutler, 03-02-2005 18:29:42  
That JD would be normal here for 6 row no till



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Jim@concordfarms

03-03-2005 08:53:04




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 Re: Planter Advice in reply to pbutler, 03-02-2005 18:29:42  
Paul, around where I live, you just won't see anyone trying to pull a 6 row planter w/ a 50 hp. tractor. I use a 4 row JD 7000 no till w/ a 66 hp full size tractor. We generally put down 200-300 lbs. of fertilizer in the row. I occasionaly help out a neighbor who uses a 8 row 7000 no till and pulls it with a 4430. Carrying 4000 lbs. of fert.in the planter on our sometimes rolling ground makes the 8 row and the 4430 a fairly even match.

Also, if you have to do some rebuilding, consider getting your parts thru an aftermarket supplier such as Shoup. Jim.

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msb

03-02-2005 20:46:13




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 Re: Planter Advice in reply to pbutler, 03-02-2005 18:29:42  
I would try to find a nice 7000 6 row and $5,000-6,000 should buy a nice one.It would be big enough for 350 acres of no-till and the 50 horse Massey should get you by in no-till.I have no idea as to your soils,but I would only buy the row cleaners in my situation aand use colters for fertilizer only.



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Gerald J.

03-02-2005 21:39:19




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 Re: Planter Advice in reply to msb, 03-02-2005 20:46:13  
Your budget will buy a fine JD 7000 6 row that has been completely rebuilt. You wish for the JD finger units for corn and for Kinze bean units.

I plan to pull my JD 4000 4 row narrow with my MF-135 in a couple months. I've pulled a 6 row cyclo 400 with that tractor in years past though it wasn't quite master of the load it did OK.

My 4020 is a better master of either planter, but the old steering hydraulics seem to be introducing excess wander in the guess rows. And the 135 will run all day on what the 4020 will use in three hours.

Gerald J.

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paul

03-03-2005 08:16:12




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 Re: Planter Advice in reply to Gerald J., 03-02-2005 21:39:19  
Yup. The 50 hp should handle a 6 row ok. But you might want an 8 row for ease of combining - 4 row works a bit better.

You can buy most any 6 or 8 row 7000 here for $2-4,000 and figure $100 in parts per row to tighten up the depth wheels and $100 a row to redo the corn meters. Buy one with good gauge wheels & have the meters rebuilt, you'll be good for years.

--->Paul



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