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ELECTRIC TIE ON ROUND BALERS

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Scotty- mn

02-25-2005 06:23:30




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HOW DOES ELECTRIC TIE WORK ON THE BALERS? iS IT ACTUALLY A ELECTIC MOTOR OR IS IT HYRRALICS ELECTRIC CONTROL THANKS FOR REPLY sCOTTY




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HAYBUD

02-27-2005 18:20:30




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 Re: ELECTRIC TIE ON ROUND BALERS in reply to Scotty- mn, 02-25-2005 06:23:30  
I PUT A ELECTRIC TIE ON MY CASE 8420,A SMALL 12 VOLT WINCH BOLTED ON MY BALER ,USED A 6 TRAILER CONNECTOR AND INSTALLED SPDT MOMENTARY SWITCH IN THE CAB.WORKS GREAT,CANT THINK THAT THE FACTORY TIE COULD WORK ANY BETTER.THE FACTORY ELE. TIE COST $600. 00,
HARBOR FREIGHT WINCH,$79.00.MUCH BETTER THAN PULLING A ROPE.



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Jeh

03-01-2005 04:25:15




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 Re: ELECTRIC TIE ON ROUND BALERS in reply to HAYBUD, 02-27-2005 18:20:30  
Haybud!
Could you email me, I have a 8420 and have been wanting to add electric tie. Have some questions I would like to ask
Thanks!



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James in NC

02-25-2005 07:59:02




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 Re: ELECTRIC TIE ON ROUND BALERS in reply to Scotty- mn, 02-25-2005 06:23:30  
I can really on speak for the Vermeers but most probably work this way. There is an electric accuator on the baler. This looks like a hydrualic cylinder with a small motor on one end. There is a worm gear set-up that runs the cylinder in and out. On your tractor you mount a control box that has a toggle switch in it. The toggle switch can be pushed in two dirrections. The switch returns to center when no pressure is being applied to it. When you have a full bale you push the toggle switch to extend the twine arms out. Once the twine is running bump the switch back towards the home postion. How much you bump depends on how much twine you want to put on. Once the desired amount of twine has been applied run to arms to the home postion and the twine will be cut.
There are also systems that do this automatically when you get full bale.

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Hay Dr

02-25-2005 07:48:25




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 Re: ELECTRIC TIE ON ROUND BALERS in reply to Scotty- mn, 02-25-2005 06:23:30  
We have sold thousand of balers with electric twine ties. They give little trouble even when 20 years old.



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txblu

02-25-2005 06:38:49




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 Re: ELECTRIC TIE ON ROUND BALERS in reply to Scotty- mn, 02-25-2005 06:23:30  
My Hesston 5580 (5x6 bales) has a reversable 12v motor and a slip clutch. The motor moves an arm connected to a tie arm on each side.

The arms are driven past center where the hay snags the twine dangling out of the tie tubes and once twine starts coming out of the box, you start pumping the motor to move over about 2" per rev of the bale.

When finishing, the arms are at the bale's edge, nearly stored. You make 3 or 4 wraps there and then drive the arms to the limit where 2 sharp blades cut off the twine and you are ready to shut off the pto and dump.

I use a spring loaded DPDT switch and depress the switch when I want something and release it when I'm through.

If you depress the switch in the opposite (spring loaded) position, the switch is wired to reverse the polarity of the 12v power and the motor runs in the opposite direction.

Just bought a JD530 which uses what looks likd a power steering pump assy off a car to do the same function. I haven't explored this as yet as I am just not connecting the monitor box to the tractor but it looks like the PTO drives this pump. There are 12v electric sensors for baler functions.

The JD rig is setup to be automatic I guess as I haven't found an engage/disengage switch in the factory wiring and the manual shows the power connected via a ckt breaker directly to the 12v hot strip in the tractor's power distribution box.

Guess what Scotty. In going through this I just figured out how this JD thing works.

When you plug in the JD baler to the tractor, the monitors are active. When you are ready to bale you start the PTO. That starts the hyd pump to pumping which activates the tie arm. The monitors tell you what to do with the tractor and the PTO. When the bale is full (light comes on), you merely stop the PTO (which is the on-off switch I was looking for) and execute the ejection. Ok Fine.

Thank you!

Mark

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txblu..correction

02-27-2005 06:32:27




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 Re: ELECTRIC TIE ON ROUND BALERS in reply to txblu, 02-25-2005 06:38:49  
TxJim just clued me in on what my new 530 really does.

Mark



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