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Vermeer 504G starting problems

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Carolyn

02-17-2005 19:02:15




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Not looking forward to hay season because of this problem with starting bales. Have adjusted the pickups to about 3/4 inch from the starter flaps, installed new starter flaps, made sure I got the hay across the chamber when I started, used smaller winrows, and tried lower RPM"s- still had problems. But if the bale starts, this thing bales great. Any other suggestions for the starting problem?

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redranch

02-18-2005 06:52:19




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 Re: Vermeer 504G starting problems in reply to Carolyn, 02-17-2005 19:02:15  
I have all the problems in mine that was explained here but here is what I do. Especially if the windrow is little, when the bale is done dont back up just dump the bale, stop the teeth on the bottom and drag the hay forward some. Then back up a little turn the pto on and take off, the slug will start a bale forming. Sure seems to work for me. Mine is a 504F



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John Hobby

02-18-2005 06:23:54




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 Re: Vermeer 504G starting problems in reply to Carolyn, 02-17-2005 19:02:15  
I have a Vemeer 503I and I had the problem myslef last year but her eis what I did by speakign with Vermeer engineering. First, you belt probably are old and need change. I thought mine we OK but I was wrong. Also, if you have more that one splice in the belt, wrong. Second, the make a bale starter kit that is cheap and applies a bit of tension and helps the bale get started by spring loading the belts a bit. I always fined that easing intot he windrow is best. I had big issues early last year but when I was done with these changes, man, she eats. Call Vemeer in Iowa and get a hold of engineering and they will help you more that you know.

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Matthew(Mich)

02-18-2005 09:44:19




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 Vermeer 503I ???? in reply to John Hobby, 02-18-2005 06:23:54  

Hello John,

Hoping you can answer a few questions about your 503I baler. So is the size of the bale 5'x3'? If so how heavy does your bales get? Does your baler have spring or hydraulic tension? How many bales do you roll with it a year? How long have you had the baler and would you recommend one for a guy rolling say 100 bales a year? Hope I didn't over do it with all the questions. I know where one is for sale and I'm intrested in. What did you have to pay for yours if you don't mine saying. I unhide my e-mail if you care to drop me answers that way.

Matthew

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John Hobby

02-18-2005 11:32:02




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 Re: Vermeer 503I ???? in reply to Matthew(Mich), 02-18-2005 09:44:19  
Matthew, what's up. I paid $4,500 for mine and that was the best money spend. I do about 250 to 300 bales a year for my cows. We have about 180 day sof winter feed here in New England so I need that amount. The size is 39" by 5'. I make them to about 4', when they get up to 5', they get top heavy and suck to haul. This baler likes dry hay, it hate wet. The bales might go 400 pounds, not much. Good size for the 25 to 35 cow heard. It has big spring that do the tension with electric tie, not rope tie. I have bales for 5 years with it and love it. One of the guys on this post mention Harold at Vermeer and he is right, that guy is great and can answer everything. Vermeer is a great company and they will send you free manual for it if you call them. I also find the skinny bales at 39", if left outsdie uncovered, keep beter that the wide ones. The wide ones have mor esurface area for water damage. I cover mine with 4 mil plastic, I line them up 20 or so long, face to face and cover them with plastic, only the top and use big nails to hold the plastic on. I roll th eplastic up under and drive the nail in in an upward motion and the spike in good.
You can call ma at (508) 520-9291 and we can talk abot it. 100 bales per year, great baler. Se eya Matt. I also unhid my e-mail.

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Hay Dr

02-18-2005 07:28:15




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 Re: Vermeer 504G starting problems in reply to John Hobby, 02-18-2005 06:23:54  
If you call Vermeer do not ask for an engineer ask for service and ask for Harold. Many of the engineers there now were not around when the Vermeer F,G,H & I balers were in production and they have no field experience with these balers. The last production year on the 503I was 1990. Harold does and can give you the solution. We have been with Vermeer since day 1 and sold more 503 I balers than any other dealer in the USA. Likely you need to advancing the pickup cam and adjust you pickup and wind guard. There are thousands of baler working out there with multiply spliced belts in them. The key is to have all the belts the same length and as close to the original length as possible. The specs on the 503 I belt length were changed from 428" to 424". A baler of this age may need to have the belts replaced due to dry rot.

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Carolyn

02-27-2005 17:35:46




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 Re: Vermeer 504G starting problems in reply to Hay Dr, 02-18-2005 07:28:15  
Can you determine if the pickup cam needs to be advanced by the location of the pickup teeth relative to the starter flaps, or is that a general recommendation to possibly correct starting problems?



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John Hobby

02-18-2005 08:03:32




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 Re: Vermeer 504G starting problems in reply to Hay Dr, 02-18-2005 07:28:15  

Harold, that is right, that the guy. He know everything. That is who I meant when I said engineer. You sound like a dealer and you know what your talking about for sure. I think Harold said the correct length was 428. I bought new belts and that was all she needed, and the spring package for the large springs, that helped also. Great baler. You can watch the bale start and form, I like that also.

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Joe(TX)

02-18-2005 05:03:21




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 Re: Vermeer 504G starting problems in reply to Carolyn, 02-17-2005 19:02:15  
My experiance with my MF 1440 (Vermeer 504G) has been that most of problems in starting a bale is that the hay is too dry. It will ball up in front of the starter roll. The hay bales better with some moisture. Most of my experiance is with Coastal bermuda. You did not say what kind of hay you were baling. Larger windrow and slower speed starting helps.



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Hay Dr

02-18-2005 01:01:14




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 Re: Vermeer 504G starting problems in reply to Carolyn, 02-17-2005 19:02:15  
You need to adjust the pickup teeth with in 1/8" of the flappers and adjust the wind guard so its travel we restricted to 1/2" below the top of the teeth. The bigger the windrow the better the bale and the easier it should be to start the bale. One thing that you may not have adjusted is the belt start tension. If the tension is too much you will have a hard starting problem. You should be able to push the belts in the rear of the baler 6-8" with little effort. Having the belts all laced to the same length and back to the original length of 436". If you need some more information call 423-282-6969 ask for William.

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R. John Johnson

02-17-2005 20:58:20




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 Re: Vermeer 504G starting problems in reply to Carolyn, 02-17-2005 19:02:15  
Carolyn

Sounds like you have most of the bases covered. Here are a few more thoughts.

First, how is the hay? is it dry enough? Does the hay bunch up on top of the pickup, in front of the starting roller? Does any hay wrap around the starting roller? Those old Vermeers had a "Feature" that it would not let you bale hay unless it was fit to be baled.

Second thing to look at. What kind of teeth are in the pickup? Spring or rubber mounted. Genuine Vermeer rubber teeth work MUCH better than aftermarket ones. The aftermarket ones flex back and do not force the hay in the chamber to start the bale.

Final thing to consider. How may bars in the pickup. Our 605F had 4 bars and was very hard to get a bale started. The 605 Super F(rest its soul) had 6 bars and would start under almost any condition. In native hay it was nessecary with the F to start a bale on a ridge in fine leafy hay and then move into the sloughs to finish. This was slow, but much quicker than continually unplugging the baler.

No matter how carefull I was with the Super F I seemed to plug at least once daily so I carried a pair of gloves and goggles with me all the time.


Good luck!

John

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ds

02-17-2005 19:46:24




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 Re: Vermeer 504G starting problems in reply to Carolyn, 02-17-2005 19:02:15  
not vermeer guy here I own a Krone but anyhow.how are the pickup rollers and track? if they are worn or the bars that the teeth sit on are bent that will affect it.my buddy had a vermeer and the track and rollers were worn and would not push the hay far enough back



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