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txblu

02-17-2005 05:30:51




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New neighbor just moved in from Arizona. Raises Arabian horses. Brought in 2 18 wheelers full of horses last week. Brought his hay with him.

Never saw it before but he said his bales weighed 100# (trying to pick one up I'd say more like 150) and were tied with three strings....never saw 3 string hay before.....thought he was kidding; he wasn't. Real whoppers.

Glad my customers don't want bales that big. Too heavy for me to handle.

The bales were really well built and the contents were alfalfa. Real nice. Said he wanted to gradually get his horses off this (their normal hay) to a cheaper local grass. Wanted to do it gradually to prevent Colic.

I Didn't go into detail about the consequences of that. Course nobody around here does alfalfa. Coastal bermuda is about as close as you get and protein isn't near that of alfalfa....so it's out with the sweet feed, I guess. I'm not a horse guy.

Mark

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tim[in]

02-19-2005 09:02:44




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 Re: Ok you square baler folks in reply to txblu, 02-17-2005 05:30:51  
it was probably a FREEMAN baler. they are a fairly common commercial baler used in the west.personally i liked the lightweight shor bales my old neighbor made with his 14T jd.just saw my first modern freeman baler advertised in an aution paper.it is supposed to sell at an auction in a feb 25 auction sw of defiance, ohio. it says it has hyd. drive , air knotter, auto oiler, hyd. tension. pretty serious looking outfit. like to see up close.

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J. Schwiebert

02-18-2005 18:51:03




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 Re: Ok you square baler folks in reply to txblu, 02-17-2005 05:30:51  
My brother-inlaw is in AZ. All three tie bales. I can remember when Oliver and Deere had 3 wire balers for that part of the country. He told me once what the popular brand of baler out there is, but do not remeber right now.



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Willy P

02-17-2005 19:16:45




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 Re: Ok you square baler folks in reply to txblu, 02-17-2005 05:30:51  
If ya'll need some good hay in square bales of normal size let me know. We have Tifton 85 which is close to alfalfa and jiggs. Both are excellent bermuda grass and are better than coastal. I live in east Texas. If i can help let me know. Thanks



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Hayfarmer

02-17-2005 07:08:23




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 Re: Ok you square baler folks in reply to txblu, 02-17-2005 05:30:51  
In my part of the country, central Washington state, most hay is put up as 3 tie. A lot of it is exported to Japan in containers but first they recompress those 3 tie bales making them about 1/2 the original size, they are loaded on containers and the containers go on ships to japan. I don't really care for the 3 ties either for my own use but here it is hard to get anyone to haul 2 ties.



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Joel Harman

02-17-2005 06:15:47




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 Re: Ok you square baler folks in reply to txblu, 02-17-2005 05:30:51  
3 tie bales not uncommon.Designed for mechanized operation

All hay grown in AZ is Alfalfa. Not enough water for grass.

Mature equines do not need the protein, nor do they need the sugar in sweet feed.



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greywynd

02-17-2005 10:12:56




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 Re: Ok you square baler folks in reply to Joel Harman, 02-17-2005 06:15:47  
That all depends on the horses, and being 'mature' has nothing to do with it. It also depends on your knowledge of feeds, and how you 'blend' the whole works together. When you talk about the 'sugar' in sweet feed, you make it sound like there's a pile of it. Here it's only the molasses that they add, and there's only enough to help make it palatable for them to eat. Do people need the sugar they sprinkle on the cereal in the morning? No, but a large percentage do it.

Mark

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Joel Harman

02-17-2005 11:17:37




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 Re: Ok you square baler folks in reply to greywynd, 02-17-2005 10:12:56  
Thank you for sharing, Mark.

When I feed my horses, I feed grass hay. I will feed alfalfa to lactating mares, but need to watch P to K ratios.

If I feel my horses need more than their grass hay I may put some cooking oil on alfalfa pellets.

See here's the thing- in the wild horses will get some grain from the mature seed heads they encounter in their wanderings. That grass they eat isn't 17 or 18% protein, but you know that.

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greywynd

02-17-2005 16:30:26




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 Re: Ok you square baler folks in reply to Joel Harman, 02-17-2005 11:17:37  
In the wild, what do horses typically do? They wander from place to place, eating, with the occasional burst here and there due to predators, or for fun. They aren't being asked to 'work' like some domesticated horses are. A horse that's spending it's day in a pasture has very different needs than a draught skidding logs, or a thoroughbred at the race track, or an event horse. From your comments, I'd say you realize that. Unfortunately, sometimes the people reading these postings don't, and if they don't get the complete 'package' of information, they may believe or do something that isn't necessarily in their best interests.

Mark

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