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greywynd

02-14-2005 14:01:24

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Every now ant then I see some of you referring to the self loading bale wagons. I can't say I've ever seen one here in this part of Ontario. Most of the guys that still do square bales either do it the old fashioned way, or have bale throwers nd wagons with racks. Can someone point me to a site that tells more about these, or give me an overview? There's a good demand for small squares for the horse people (like ourselves), but, of course, no-one likes the labour/time factor. I'm thinking that one of these bale wagons might go over real well.

By the way, how do they unload or what? Do they unload in a stack at ground level, or do you still have to unload them by hand?

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Mark

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greywynd

02-14-2005 21:43:42

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Thanks for the info in reply to greywynd, 02-14-2005 14:01:24

They do look a whole lot easier than doing it by hand. I'm surprised that I haven't seen at least some here in Ontario. I have a feeling that they are somewhat of an 'undiscovered' thing. Large rounds seem to be the flavour of choice for many farmers in this area. Large squares are sometimes seen, but not a lot. I have to wonder if it's because of the equipment sizes. We don't see much over the low hundred hp range, most farms have loader tractors from 65-85 hp. Now that some of the 'corporate' farms are going though, things seem to be getting bigger.

Someday will have to look into a bale wagon like these, once we get the hay land, and the hay equipment, and.....well, it'll happen.

Thanks again, Mark

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paul

02-15-2005 05:04:46

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Re: Thanks for the info in reply to greywynd, 02-14-2005 21:43:42

The NH wagons are pretty popular around southern MN. Most unload by tilting back & putting the stack on the ground, but some have the option to spit out one bale at a time to an elevator. They seem to be 3 sizes - about 66 bales, 99 bales, & 160 bales. More or less if I remember right.

You need to be fussy about bale size from what I hear. Need a baler that makes the same size bale no matter what.

They hit their stride in the 80's here, then the round balers took over. Not sure any new ones are sold, but still quite a few used moving around the area. Round bales can be stored outside, while big squares can't. So there are some big squares, but round is probably the most popular.

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Hayman

02-14-2005 20:42:29

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to greywynd, 02-14-2005 14:01:24

Its the only way squares are made out west here. Pretty hard to find anyone who would handle them by hand!

I have a NH SP balewagon which hauls 160 bales. Doesn't take long to pick a load and stack it. Once the stacks are in the shed I pick them back up with a retriever truck and deliever them to customers never handling a bale. I find here it's much easier to sell hay if you deliver it.

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hayfarmer

02-14-2005 20:16:23

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to greywynd, 02-14-2005 14:01:24

I live in Washington state and here bale wagons are about the only way hay is handled, at least the square bales. Most of the wagons are self propelled, I"ve lost track of the number on them. Most are also computerized to form a load however you want. In my area most of the farmers use 3 tie balers and stack in "blocks" These will stand independently and often they set them outside the hay shed and put them in with a squeeze. They take them out and load on a truck the same way but then most of our hay is sold, not fed on the farm where raised, a lot of it is put in containers, the containers on boats and sent to Japan. There are a few 1032 or similar bale wagons around that handle the 2 tie bales and are pull type. Never seen a bale wagon unload one bale at a time, usually the unload the whole pile and with a decent operator it stands up until the next pile is put up next to it. There is ots of hydraulics but not much in the way of timeing that I have seen, maybe on the real small ones.

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Zane(WA)

02-15-2005 00:33:33

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to hayfarmer, 02-14-2005 20:16:23

hayfarmer, now you've done it :) the next thing someone will ask will be what is or what do you mean "put them in with a squeeze". I haven't seen a squeeze unit anywhere else but in Eastern Washington and a couple of units in BC. 'Course then again growers, in NJ and most of Penn. have no idea what a harrowbed or bale wagon is. I'm thinking that modern automation hasn't quite caught up with the rest of the country when it comes to hay. Do we really want to give away our export "secrets"?

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greywynd

02-16-2005 01:37:32

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to Zane(WA), 02-15-2005 00:33:33

Ok, since you brought it up.....what is a squeeze? I know what my 'idea' of a bale wagon is, but never heard of the 'harrowbed'. Just remeber Zane, you brought it up.

Mark

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Zane(WA)

02-17-2005 02:34:50

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to greywynd, 02-16-2005 01:37:32

Yeah, I know....:-)
A Squeeze? Think of a fork lift, with adjustable forks, large enough to handle a container-van but with both of the forks on edge and able to squeeze the complete bale stack (4 to 6 ton) as it is lifted and transported. It lifts and supports the stack from the side rather than from the bottom as a normal forklift would. Bale Wagon vs Harrowbed - one and the same, just different name for the thing. Heck, until last year I had never heard of them being called Bale Wagons. I don't remember any of the local dealers or growers calling them bale wagons. Sure wish the rest of the world would get in step. Oh well.
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greywynd

02-17-2005 10:03:29

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to Zane(WA), 02-17-2005 02:34:50

It's interesting the different terms used in different areas. It is something that sometimes gets overlooked on the forums, someone is talking about a n "xyz", while someone else is talking about "zyx", and they may or may not be talking about the same things.

I can see how a squeeze would be nice, and also how it would be more dominant to the west where a lot of the hay barns are ground level, versus a lot of our older style bank barns that we have here. Slowly though, they are disappearing, if left empty for a number of years, the frost wrecks havoc and the foundations start to shift. Of course no-one builds them that way anymore, just too expensive with today's building techniques.

Mark

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paul

02-14-2005 20:12:13

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to greywynd, 02-14-2005 14:01:24

I assume you mean the NH wagons people are mentioning, that pick up the bales from the field?

You don't mean the baskets, where the baler pushes the balesup into the basket - much like a thrower & rack, but no thrower, just a ramp for the bales to go up.

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greywynd

02-14-2005 21:27:18

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to paul, 02-14-2005 20:12:13

There are some baskets around here, but I've never been impressed much by them myself. I always thought that they'd be even messier to unload than the thrower loaded wagons.

Mark

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Chuck MI

02-15-2005 04:11:59

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to greywynd, 02-14-2005 21:27:18

I've never unloaded a thrower wagon, but I've heard that the bales can get wedged in pretty good. Back when my cousins did a lot of hay, they would use the bale wagon (I think it was a 1002 or 1003, a small one any way) and unload bales individually onto the elevator. All the hay barns our family has were built long before anyone thought of automated bale wagons. Heck, they were built long before anyone thought of tractors.

Chuck

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greywynd

02-16-2005 01:35:26

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to Chuck MI, 02-15-2005 04:11:59

I've unloaded thrower wagons....and you're right, they get wedged in tight sometimes. Some have a drop down gate at the front, so unloading isn't as bad, but, when you're getting near the back, it's a lot of walking, or you end up repositioning something. Some guys go up over the outside, and drop the first few down, I was never fussy on that because I always found the 'one-leg' hole in the load, which there are lots of because they go every direction anyway. The openings on the sides are safest, etc. but, the first few in particular can be tough, til you start to get some room. On the larger wagons we usually find 2 people are needed, again because of the walking to/from the door once you get the first few off.

The bales also have to be quite tight, or the thrower will blow them apart. Personally, I always found they were just that litle bit 'tighter than I like', but, you do it or the thrower won't work.

Mark

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Chuck MI

02-16-2005 06:52:26

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to greywynd, 02-16-2005 01:35:26

Well, we've never minded tight bales. Our family still uses wire. There are far less bales to move if you don't mind them running 90+ pounds.

As far as unloading, it is a very easy job, move some levers and watch the bales roll off one at a time, make sure they don't get hung up. The labor is all up in the loft!!

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kyhayman

02-14-2005 16:54:22

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to greywynd, 02-14-2005 14:01:24

Real popular in the western US and western Canada. They like fairly level ground. I found this site, kind of brief but shows some pics. Also, they are still in production and listed on the NH web site.

Link

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Bailey

02-14-2005 16:51:48

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to greywynd, 02-14-2005 14:01:24

Hello Greywynd. I have heard that they are a nightmare to keep in tune. A dairy farmer neighbour had one on trial. He did not keep it. They load one bale at a time out of the field. They unload one bale at a time or as a whole stack. I think they are a great idea. No doubt hard on the patience. Your certainly right in stating that square bales are a lot of labour, but, when its storming in January, I,d rather be handling square bales that freezing myself moving round ones. Good luck. Robert.

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Seth_ia

02-14-2005 16:51:25

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to greywynd, 02-14-2005 14:01:24

I just bought a NH 1010. It only cost $700 and is in pretty good shape, but have not used it yet. Roeders in Kansas deal in alot of bale wagons and have alot of useful info. My 1010 will single bale unload into an elevator automatically, or will make 55 bale stacks. 1010s are not as good for making stacks as other models. They have no cylinders to push the stacks off the back forks. You can still make a solid sqaure stack ,but you have to use chains and hooks to pull the stack off the forks, which take more time. Roeders sight explains unloading. They have a 1010 not listed on the site for $1400-$1500.

roeder Imp.

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JD 5020 guy

02-14-2005 16:48:20

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Re: Automatic Bale Wagons in reply to greywynd, 02-14-2005 14:01:24

Check out this link. We run a NH 1069 bale wagon.

NH bale wagons

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