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Rotary Haybine ?

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HA in Oh

02-08-2005 06:30:15




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I need to replace my 1219 and want to go rotary this time. I make mostly alfalfa, alfalfa/grass hay. The conditioning type mowers are very pricey, is it worth the investment? My local dealers are pushing the impeller type witch I have no experince with. I raise hay for my cows and sell my best to horse people. Time and weather is always a problem. What do you all reconmend? And how does a rotary work in wheat straw? Thanks for your help, this is going to be a big investment for me.

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Russ in Md

02-09-2005 03:58:25




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 Re: Rotary Haybine ? in reply to HA in Oh, 02-08-2005 06:30:15  
If your dealer is pushing an impellar type he must be a JD dealer, JD has had a problem with there rollers. For Alfalfa you realy need the rollers, I tried a demo impellar on rye straw and the rye just twisted around the impellar. The Impellar will not work on tall rye cut for straw. Also these disc machines take more horsepower to run then the older sickle bar type with rollers. Dont underpower yourself for the wider cut.

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Hayman

02-08-2005 22:22:03




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 New Idea makes a good one. in reply to HA in Oh, 02-08-2005 06:30:15  
I run a CIH/New Idea 9ft disc mower. ITs been a very good machine over the years. I think its on its 14th year now. It has the modular cutter bar and a shaft drive etc. I have NO chains or BELTS on the mower. Lastly it's built in North America where as most disc mowers are imported.



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Seth_ia

02-10-2005 17:55:16




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 Re: New Idea makes a good one. in reply to Hayman, 02-08-2005 22:22:03  
I just bought one. Do you have any tips or tricks?



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hayman

02-10-2005 22:11:32




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 Re: New Idea makes a good one. in reply to Seth_ia, 02-10-2005 17:55:16  
Well if you have one of the 9ft shaft drive models like I do here's what I'd check.

Pull all the discs off and change the grease in them little gear boxes for starters. It takes EP-0 grease "gear box grease" your local AGCO dealer will have it in the grease gun size tubes etc. They have to filled up to certain level it states it all in the owners manual. Make sure to check all the bearings when its apart.

Pull the pto shafts apart and grease the tubes etc and check all U-Joints.

Check the backlash on the discs. Sometimes the shaft wears where it runs through the gears along the cutter bar. Older ones like mine don't have as much contact area where the shaft runs through the gear etc. The newer update models were improved etc. Anyway check the back lash if it seems really bad replace the shaft. It pulls out the right side and costs about $100 bucks. Its not a big job and doesn't take very long to do. It explains how to do in the manual.

Check the chains and sprokets that hook the top crimper roller to the tension springs. If old hay is left jammed in the corners there where the spocket sits and it rusts they can sieze up etc.

Change the oil in the big gear box on the left side it takes standard gear oil. Make sure all the grease zirks take grease.

Check the wear plates under the cutter bar.

Thats about all I can think of really there isn't much too them.

The only real complaint I'd have is replacing that cutter bar grease. It takes a bit of fooling around and is a messy job. I change/check it depending on how many acres I do a year. When I first got it I checked every 2-3 years now I check it every winter in the off season.

I have only changed 1 U-joint in all the years we've run which is the one right by the slip clutch. I think I've replaced the cutter bar shaft once or twice and a couple master links on the those tension chains for the crimpers. Oh and last year I replaced the steady bearing on the pto shaft under the front shield there it was getting dry.

For all the acres its done I've been real happy with it and would buy another.

I pull it with a 95hp tractor but have pulled it fine with a 85hp tractor too. Disc mowers are great machines as long as you don't use it to chop rocks or level fields! Typically I drive 8 MPH with it unless its a really heavy tall crop.

A set of blades lasts 400-500 acres as long as you don't have too many mole hills. Too much dirt dulls them in a hurry.

We had a 12ft NH sickle haybine before. It was a good old machine too and we cut a lot of hay with it. But in our conditions this little disc mower can cut circles around it and then some.

good luck

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seth_ia

02-13-2005 17:16:56




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 Re: New Idea makes a good one. in reply to hayman, 02-10-2005 22:11:32  
I had to by a new drive shaft for mine which is a 7' 10". The drive shaft cost $270. I checked with both the new idea dealer and the case IH dealer. Have you ever broke a shaft from a rock? Also have you had to adjust the shims under the gear box lids? When I had mine apart to replace the shaft I noticed the bearing at the drive box where the drive shaft slides in was a little lose. It looked liked a big job to replace it, so I put it off. Do you think that will wear the shaft alot?

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powershifterben

02-08-2005 14:09:25




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 Re: Rotary Haybine ? in reply to HA in Oh, 02-08-2005 06:30:15  
If by rotary you mean a discbine, you probably want to go with something thats fit to your operation, We've had two vicon machines in the 80's and early 90's which were good machines. we had a new idea 12ft model which seemed to be very troublesome, we recently bought a gehl 15' machine with hydroswing/center pivot which seems to do a great job with conditioning, disc bines seem to do a better job of picking up down alfalfa and will cut faster than sickle mowers, deere has good machines also but seem to require a lot of hp, and are heavy machines and may suck in wet spring conditions especially like the one we had last spring in east central wisconsin,

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paul

02-08-2005 11:55:41




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 Re: Rotary Haybine ? in reply to HA in Oh, 02-08-2005 06:30:15  
All cutters use something rotory on them, so I'm not sure I understand what you are looking for - called different things in different regions I guess. A crimper conditioner with sickle or disc cutter haybine/ moco is what one would get around here.

Here in southern Minnesota I live in alfalfa territory, & I have only ever seen 2 impeller conditioners in my life. Here they do not do well with alfalfa, they strip the leaves off & you are baling stems - not a good thing. Crimp rolls of one type or another is the only way to go around here with alfalfa. I'm very surprised your dealer is pushing an impeller to an alfalfa grower, but perhaps it works in your region or it is a machine he needs to unload on someone....

--->Paul

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rbmporter

02-08-2005 06:32:41




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 Re: Rotary Haybine ? in reply to HA in Oh, 02-08-2005 06:30:15  
did you sell your JD 1219 yet? I am in the market for a 1209 or 1219 with some decent life left.



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HA in Oh

02-08-2005 07:40:47




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 Re: Rotary Haybine ? in reply to rbmporter, 02-08-2005 06:32:41  
No I still have it. I'm in southeast Ohio, I'll take 2k for it. My # 740-962-6110. if interested.



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Jim D in Ohio

02-08-2005 18:59:29




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 Re: Rotary Haybine ? in reply to HA in Oh, 02-08-2005 07:40:47  
SE Ohio me too. 740-732-4938
Bought a new JD 916 8'2" cut 2 years ago with the impeller. Yes it does take some power to run it. Use it behind 2755 and can still run me short of power in heavy downed hay. For alfalfa hay you will need the roll machine. My impeller ain't any good where there is stemmy hay. But it can't be beat for 2nd cutting grass drydown...Again get the roll machine if you are doing alfalfa.
As for weight well most of that is on the tractor with the long hitch and wheels mounted at the rear of machine.

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Ken Macfarlane

02-09-2005 05:51:13




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 Re: Rotary Haybine ? in reply to Jim D in Ohio, 02-08-2005 18:59:29  
The hitch is long enough on haybines and disc bines most of the weight ends up on the implement tires. A 4000 lb unit may have less than 1000 lbs of tongue weight. The header float springs keep much of the header weight on the frame too.



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Jim D in Ohio

02-09-2005 11:28:56




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 Re: Rotary Haybine ? in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 02-09-2005 05:51:13  
Yea your right Ken, but..
My old 472 NH weighed less than my new 916MOCO.
However, because a bigger percentage of the Moco weight is on the drawbar it handles much better than the 472 on hillsides period.....Take a look at the placement of the Moco's wheels compared to an antique 472 and you will see the heavier weight of the Moco is not an issue as far as being able to pull it around in the field. Much more weight is on the drawbar.

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Ken Macfarlane

02-11-2005 06:21:38




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 Re: Rotary Haybine ? in reply to Jim D in Ohio, 02-09-2005 11:28:56  
I'm not familiar with the 472 or 916, ie I've never been up to one.

You're talking traction right, mowing up down the hillsides? Our hills are small and gentle so we mow across. Having more tongue weight would certainly help draging the mower up a hill.



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