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The best way to cut downed hay

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Willy P

02-05-2005 13:59:38




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We have always had trouble cutting hay that is laid down from wind and rain especially coastal. Which mower would be best for cutting it? We use the Kuhn disc mower.Would a haybine with the reel on the front help pull up the hay so it would cut better? Thanks




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Hay Dr

02-06-2005 10:47:52




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 Re: The best way to cut downed hay in reply to Willy P, 02-05-2005 13:59:38  
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Anything with a sickle can not mow in adverse conditions with a drum mower, disc mower or flail mower. Sicklebar and or haybines have their place for in alfalfa but still do not have near the capacity of drum mowers, disc mowers & discbines.

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Bill57

02-06-2005 19:39:51




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 Re: The best way to cut downed hay in reply to Hay Dr, 02-06-2005 10:47:52  
Hay Dr,
I'm looking for something to mow my cover crops this spring. I've got a Super A and need something that will mow high enough off the ground to allow two or three subsequent mowings. Do drum mowers do the trick? Mowing crimson clover, vetch, rye and winter peas for mulch.
Paul said you deal in drum mowers, so I thought I'd ask. Thanks very much,
Bill, in Marion, AL



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DR HAY

02-06-2005 20:57:40




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 Re: The best way to cut downed hay in reply to Bill57, 02-06-2005 19:39:51  
I'd say you need to mow with a pull type rotary cutter (Bush Hog)10-12" off the ground. The drum mower is designed to mow 1-4" off the ground which is what you would want to harvest hay.



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Bill57

02-06-2005 22:59:57




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 Re: The best way to cut downed hay in reply to DR HAY, 02-06-2005 20:57:40  
Thanks, that's got it then. Appreciate the quick reply.

Bill



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Joel Harman

02-06-2005 09:35:09




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 Re: The best way to cut downed hay in reply to Willy P, 02-05-2005 13:59:38  
Trick for sickle bars is to get pea guards.

With haybines, if you are lucky? enough to have it all lodged the same way come in against the direction the wind layed it over.

Yep, It's time consuming.



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Bill57

02-06-2005 23:02:59




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 Re: The best way to cut downed hay in reply to Joel Harman, 02-06-2005 09:35:09  
Joel, are pea guards the triangular guards on the end of the mower?
Bill



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Tim(nj)

02-06-2005 10:22:49




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 come to think of it . . . in reply to Joel Harman, 02-06-2005 09:35:09  
I remember my grandfather taking the grain lifters off the combine and putting them on the sickle mower to cut down clover once.



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Willy P

02-05-2005 19:40:22




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 Re: Well I have one more question in reply to Willy P, 02-05-2005 13:59:38  
What about the haybines that have the sickle mower blade instead of the disc blades,will they clog up in fire aint beds and gopher mounds? This is the reason that we quit using sickle mowers,but I have never used a haybine so I didn't know how they would work. Thanks



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Sid

02-05-2005 20:19:41




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 Re: Well I have one more question in reply to Willy P, 02-05-2005 19:40:22  
A haybine will work quite a bit better than a sickle mower in these conditions. I have only used a disc mower once and it did a better job than my haybine would have done in that field. My Plan for my operation is to go with a disc mower along with a tedder.



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Sid

02-05-2005 20:19:07




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 Re: Well I have one more question in reply to Willy P, 02-05-2005 19:40:22  
A haybine will work quite a bit better than a sickle mower in these conditions. I have only used a disc mower once and it did a better job than my haybine would have done in that field. My Plan for my operation is to go with a disc mower along with a tedder.



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mk4020

02-05-2005 20:10:34




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 Re: Well I have one more question in reply to Willy P, 02-05-2005 19:40:22  
my experience with haybines is if the mounds are dry it's not that bad but if they are moist or wet it can be quit frustrating. I've angled my discbine cutter bar forward just like kyhayman and he's right, you can cut flat crops...and yes SLOW down.



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legn4

02-05-2005 19:20:20




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 Re: The best way to cut downed hay in reply to Willy P, 02-05-2005 13:59:38  
Just what Tim said. I have 1 a 9" model.I will add if you find rocks, hedge or steel post laying in the grass NO problem! Blades fold back you ride right over it no damage.Heavy hay it pulls hard. Eddie



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kyhayman

02-05-2005 17:30:56




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 Re: The best way to cut downed hay in reply to Willy P, 02-05-2005 13:59:38  
All I use on this kind of stuff is a NI disc mower. What I have learned is

1. Slow down
2. pitch the cutter bar angle sharply forward
3. SLOW DOWN, SLOW WAY DOWN. 4. Use NEW sharp blades (I change blades every other day)in timothy (about every 50 acres)
5. They make a suction blade but I havent needed them
6. Oh, and slow down :-)
I cut 10 acres of timothy that June 20 of 2003 which had had 50 mph straight line winds with 2" of rain, cut in 3rd gear on a 7610 Ford with an 8 speed. Cut it clean as a whistle. A boy that was helping me cut 6 more acres in another field the next day, he cut in 6th gear with the same tractor and same cutter bar angle. He left about 1/2 the hay in the field. I told him to slow down but he thought he knew more about it than I did. He still works for me and Im still chewing is a-- about it.

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Tim(nj)

02-05-2005 15:19:20




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 Re: The best way to cut downed hay in reply to Willy P, 02-05-2005 13:59:38  
The best things I have used are the Mathews Company Rotary Scythe and the New Idea Cut/Ditioner flail machines. Yes, they like their horsepower, but they will pick up stuff that is literally steamroller flat and put it in a nice fluffy swath. They bruise the stems of the grass, which softens it up and dries it faster than a regular disk mower. Not too good for alfalfa or other leafy legumes though.

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Mike (WA)

02-07-2005 08:54:37




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 Re: The best way to cut downed hay in reply to Tim(nj), 02-05-2005 15:19:20  
The big drawback I found with the MC was molehills, if you have them- I had some bales with 20 extra pounds of dirt in them. Disc mower or mower conditioner seems to work better in that aspect.



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Jerry D in NC

02-05-2005 14:34:06




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 Re: The best way to cut downed hay in reply to Willy P, 02-05-2005 13:59:38  
It does for me. I have a JD 1207 MoCo that does great at picking up and cutting downed hay. Had a place in a field where some folks had not ridden 4-wheelers on the road that went around the field but had ridden them through the field and flattened the grass down. Could not tell after baling where they had ridden...



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