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Building a packer

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Jeff Leavitt

01-30-2005 07:59:52




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I'm planning on building a roller packer to pack the ground ahead of my grain drill. My current thought is to mount it to the front of my tractor, and use a cable lift from the 3pt. The hydraulics are both tied up with the drill lift, and the cultipacker lift(I pull a cultipacker behind the drill). Does anyone have any thoughts or advice? I haven't begun construction yet, but I have begun to gather steel.


Jeff

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RickL

01-30-2005 16:10:50




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Jeff Leavitt, 01-30-2005 07:59:52  
I do this every year for oats. After the bean crop comes off, in the fall All I do is drill rye right into the bean stubble. Spring I do same thing after I burn down with roundup plant oats. Works great and one trip done. What did was put whole bunch coulters in front of drill. really works slick since the ground is firm fom no tillage ahead I don't need to roll it.



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JMS/MN

01-30-2005 10:00:52




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Jeff Leavitt, 01-30-2005 07:59:52  
If you want to break up the clods and get a good seedbed, I would put the cultipacker behind the tractor, the drill behind the cultipacker, and pull a roller behind the drill. I made my roller out of 20 inch dia. gas pipe, and worn out truck tires. Rolls real well down the road when going between fields. Doesn't need a lift system and is quieter than a cast packer. Welded the pipe tight so I can add weight (water) through a hose fitting if desired.

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Jeff Leavitt

01-30-2005 10:10:43




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 Send me pictures EMAIL OPEN in reply to JMS/MN, 01-30-2005 10:00:52  
I like this idea. Do you have any pictures? I had thought about a front or mid mounted roller to utilize the 3pt lift, but this sounds like an option too.

Thanks,


Jeff



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JMS/MN

01-30-2005 10:44:21




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 Re: Send me pictures EMAIL OPEN in reply to Jeff Leavitt, 01-30-2005 10:10:43  
Couldn't access your email, but I can describe how I built it. Mine is 13 feet wide, pulled behind a JD8300 drill. Took about 15-17 tires, I think. First- find your tires! Trucking companies may give them away, then they don't need to pay a disposal fee. All the same rim size- 20, 22.5, or 24. Measure the width of the tire and decide how many you need to cover the width of your drill. I found 20 inch gas pipe at an industrial salvage yard. Since the tires I used were 22.5, I welded 4 lengths of half-inch diameter pipe lengthwise along the gas pipe, at 12, 3, 6, and 9 oclock. That creates a 'new' diameter of about 22 inches. I had scrap plate steel, half inch thick that I used for end 'cookies'. Two on each end, spaced about two feet apart. Cut half-moons in the inside ones so water can flow from one section to another. Weld two pipe couplers for filling and draining. Weld solid shaft from the inner one, through the outer one, where the hitch bearing is mounted. I found 2 1/2 inch bearings and shafts in a salvage yard for $25. On one end I welded 2x2 angle in an 'X' pattern, extending past the cookie edge, to hold the end tire in place. Opposite end I did the same pattern, but welded bolts on the cookie, so the 'X' can be bolted on after the last tire is slid into place. Tow hitch is made from four inch square tubing. You do not want a single continous shaft through the assembly for an axle. It tends to break. Use separate shafts on each side of the unit. Hopefully I can post a picture here later- I usually have difficulty doing that.

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JMS/MN

01-30-2005 14:18:22




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 Re: Send me pictures EMAIL OPEN in reply to JMS/MN, 01-30-2005 10:44:21  
Had no luck posting a picture here, but got one into Implement Photos. Anyone have a list of url's for posting here, like Bobduck's or others?



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Butcher

01-30-2005 17:02:16




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 Re: Send me pictures EMAIL OPEN in reply to JMS/MN, 01-30-2005 14:18:22  
third party image

Pic.



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ChrisL

01-30-2005 09:19:54




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Jeff Leavitt, 01-30-2005 07:59:52  
Why would u want to pack the ground before the drill - I can understand smoothing and rolling the ground after the drill (even though that will increase weeds, it will help the seed to soil contact on what you plant)



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Bob

01-30-2005 09:44:23




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to ChrisL, 01-30-2005 09:19:54  
Perhaps he's seeding flax or canola.



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Jeff Leavitt

01-30-2005 10:04:32




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Bob, 01-30-2005 09:44:23  
Just oats. No flax or canola, yet. ;->


Jeff


PS

Sorry for the double post, my mouse is recieving bad input.



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Allan in NE

01-30-2005 09:05:04




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Jeff Leavitt, 01-30-2005 07:59:52  
Hi Jeff,

I'm still trying to get my mind wrapped around why you are pulling a cultipacker behind the drill?

Isn't that a little rough on the ol' germination rate? :>)

Allan



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Jeff Leavitt

01-30-2005 09:59:26




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Allan in NE, 01-30-2005 09:05:04  
I've been packing behind the drill, and ahead of the drill because it gets a faster germanation and emergence from the soil being firmer and moister. Bear in mind that I'm drilling oats with a double disk drill that has no press wheels. I am open to suggestions from anyone that has comments, but this method is what has worked for me; 1) One or two diskings for seedbed prep, 2) a pass with the cultipacker for seed to soil contact, 3) a pass with the drill [need I explain why?], 4) a pass with the cultipacker to firm the seedbed from drilling and preserve moisture. I'm looking to add a front or mid mounted roller/packer to my drill tractor to accomplish the last three operations in one pass. Only this past spring did I begin to combine the last two operations into one pass, but that is only because my uncle was away for a weekend, therefore unable to help, and the weather was fading. He was suprised when he returned to find that I had finished the field without him. Since it worked to do so I now have his "blessing" to do that again this year. Funny how we stick to the way that we have always done things, but with the price of fuel, I am trying to lessen trips across the field. Further more my time is limited by my day job.


Thanks again to all,


Jeff

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paul

01-30-2005 22:13:57




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Jeff Leavitt, 01-30-2005 09:59:26  
After drilling oats, always ran a harrow after it for better germination. When drilling oats with alfalfa, often run the harrow over 2 times. Real common here, what works.

I just got a packer this fall, hope to use that this year, should be a _much_ better seed bed, and will be better grain/ legumes. Not as good a crop if you don't follow the drill with something 'here'.

--->Paul



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Jeff Leavitt

01-30-2005 09:59:18




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Allan in NE, 01-30-2005 09:05:04  
I've been packing behind the drill, and ahead of the drill because it gets a faster germanation and emergence from the soil being firmer and moister. Bear in mind that I'm drilling oats with a double disk drill that has no press wheels. I am open to suggestions from anyone that has comments, but this method is what has worked for me; 1) One or two diskings for seedbed prep, 2) a pass with the cultipacker for seed to soil contact, 3) a pass with the drill [need I explain why?], 4) a pass with the cultipacker to firm the seedbed from drilling and preserve moisture. I'm looking to add a front or mid mounted roller/packer to my drill tractor to accomplish the last three operations in one pass. Only this past spring did I begin to combine the last two operations into one pass, but that is only because my uncle was away for a weekend, therefore unable to help, and the weather was fading. He was suprised when he returned to find that I had finished the field without him. Since it worked to do so I now have his "blessing" to do that again this year. Funny how we stick to the way that we have always done things, but with the price of fuel, I am trying to lessen trips across the field. Further more my time is limited by my day job.


Thanks again to all,


Jeff

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Allan in NE

01-30-2005 10:16:26




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Jeff Leavitt, 01-30-2005 09:59:18  
Hi again Jeff,

Now I see where you are coming from!

Can I make a suggestion? (and I'm not trying to be a know-it-all either, just that I'm an old guy and have been there and done that).

I agree with you, planting oats (or any small grain, for that matter) on plowed ground never, ever works. It is a total waste of time & money.

Therefore, I suggest finding a decent grain drill with the proper packer wheels. That way, you can disc it, plant it and forget it. The crop will be up in three days.

Just my view and stated as such,

Allan

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Mikeky

01-30-2005 11:51:39




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Allan in NE, 01-30-2005 10:16:26  
Allen, you had the right suggestion and there are some older ones that are affordable. I know that you wouldn't like mine though. It's the wrong color. I have an IH 510 that really does a good job.



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Allan in NE

01-30-2005 11:58:29




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Mikeky, 01-30-2005 11:51:39  
Hi Mike,

Not me. I'm totally colorblind when it comes to farm machinery & like 'em all. :>)

Allan



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mikeinWA

01-30-2005 19:09:45




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 Re: Building a packer in reply to Allan in NE, 01-30-2005 11:58:29  
Just had to weigh in on the issue. I used to broadcast my cover crop usually winter rye, then for lack of a packer I would harrow it in. Recently purchased an old brillion seeder with a packer infront, two hoppers and a packer in rear. Now I can seed rye and clover at the same time and the germination is 1/2 the time.



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