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Jacques Kirouac

01-27-2005 16:37:51

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I bought a used NH 315 baler. Any recommmendation on using plastic vs Sizal twine. The sizal is more expensive in Canada and does not come in different colors to identify dates.

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Hayman

01-31-2005 10:07:30

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to Jacques Kirouac, 01-27-2005 16:37:51

We used sisal 9000 up untill 3 years ago. Then we switched to plastic 9000 because it was a 1/3 the cost. But I found the knot strength wasn't as good. So I then switched to Don 190 it has a not strength of around 200# where as 9000 is 130#. Plus the DON comes in 12,000 ft rolls. I just used it a bit last fall and was really impressed. I already told the supplier to get me a couple pallets for this year.

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John K

01-29-2005 11:56:09

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to Jacques Kirouac, 01-27-2005 16:37:51

I know that I will hit a nerv with my post, but. I have read the posts below and keep seeing if twine is dropped it is all ways a problem, can it knot be picked up. I find it hard to believ that people feed bales to cattle without taking the twine off. I would even go a little further and say that if there is twine lying around there must be more than twine lying in disaray. We always removed the twine when feeding critters, put the twine in barrel for disposal. Yes I have seen tractors for sale with twine wrapped around the axels so bad it looked like a rope, the seals leaking and wondering why someone won't give them the asking price. Those same tractors have had no maintance that could be seen, 2 inches of dirt on the cab floor, radiator almost plugged with dirt or chaf, worn out bushing on the loader to the point that the welds on the pin sleaves are wearing away, etc. My mother tought me ""HOW YOU MAKE YOUR BED IS HOW YOU WILL SLEEP N IT"". So much for my ranting.

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Jacques Kirouac

01-29-2005 13:23:05

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to John K, 01-29-2005 11:56:09

Gents,
My original note was more in reference to potential damage plastic vs sizal twine could cause to the baler knotter (if there is any difference). I was curious to know if one or the other type could worn the mechanism faster or cause other problems. In any rate, I am amazed by the number of replies and specially from those who comment on plastic twine laying around. I agree with John K. and others, and I find this discussion very interesting.
Thanks to all.
J. Kirouac

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Mark in Mizzou

01-29-2005 12:18:01

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to John K, 01-29-2005 11:56:09

John, I posted on this same subject 6(?) months ago, and VERY supprised on the number of people who WILL NOT cut the plactic string off of their hay when feeding. I assume that they are either: A) New to feeding livestock and have never seen the damage that plastic string can do. B) Too big of a hurry to get to the Coffee Shop. C) Somewhat lazy. Just my O
Mark Hill Dearborn,MO

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luther

01-28-2005 21:20:34

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to Jacques Kirouac, 01-27-2005 16:37:51

have used nothing but plastic twine for five years - no complaints from any of my customers. If it'll tie plastic as my 315 does you can crank the bales down tight as you want that baler just loves plastic!

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paul

01-27-2005 21:31:16

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to Jacques Kirouac, 01-27-2005 16:37:51

Around here plastic is not liked on small squares. Never goes away. Some sheep folks have even bigger 'issues' with it getting in the wool.

Plastic is used on round bales, but much is stored outside so little choice.

--->Paul

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Rauville

01-27-2005 19:19:53

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to Jacques Kirouac, 01-27-2005 16:37:51

We've used a "plastic" twine made from corn starch which degrades within a couple of years upon exposure to sunlight. It never seems to completely disappear, but becomes much less of a hazard around the farmyard.
It doesn't seem to make much difference between plastic or sisal...I've cut off lots of both from around our Bobcat's axles.

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RickL

01-27-2005 18:55:53

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to Jacques Kirouac, 01-27-2005 16:37:51

Yes plastic has its good points and can have bad to if you want it too. You must keep it picked up yes, but I don't really have that problem as 100% is sold and hardley have any breakage when baling and handling. String will wrap in anything also. In my situation advantages out way the disadvantages by wide margin,don't have to worry about breakage during freight hauling,like I did the string. I works for me. But there is definitely a different in the plastics also,some of it is not worth messing with I have learned the hard way also,I use one brand period,comes direct from company by the pallet full.

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kyhayman

01-27-2005 18:36:38

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to Jacques Kirouac, 01-27-2005 16:37:51

I love plastic twine; I hate plastic twine. :-)

With plastic I can set the baler tighter, twine doesnt stretch and get loose in storage, rodents rarely bother it and if it gets some dampness it doesnt rot.

With plastic you also get an evil product which, when dropped never, ever, goes away. It wraps mower spindles and cows feet. It was really never intended to replace sisal but to replace wire. While it does have some real problems it is not in the league of wire for hardware disease.

I went to plastic when I got a NH bale wagon. It does better on the tighter plastic bales. Makes loading and shipping a breeze. Had to switch back last year. Wear on my knotters reached the point that it would not consistantly tie a knot in the slicker plastic twine. Went back to 10,000 sisal. Makes hay making easier but hay shipping harder.

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jimont

01-27-2005 19:05:20

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to kyhayman, 01-27-2005 18:36:38

I have the same love/hate for plastic. Esso actually sent a man around in 1971 to change bill-hooks for free in order to get you to try that early plastic. That stuff was REALLY hard on hands as it was about the diameter of the plastic twine used on big bales to-day. But like kyhayman says, it was very tough, held bales well and didn't attract rodents. Used it for a few years then switched back to 9000'sisal. However, this fall we converted back to the new 12000' heavy plastic because we're just tired of the inconsistency of sisal. My old New Holland baler mechanic swears by this new twine and claims he has had no knotter problems on any baler he has converted since this new size appeared.

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RayP(MI)

01-27-2005 18:07:23

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to Jacques Kirouac, 01-27-2005 16:37:51

Not only is palstic not biodegradable, it is a hazard to animals that may ingest it. Sheep and llama raisers don't want hay with it because it is the dickens to get out of the fleece, which lowers the value of the fleece.

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Seth_ia

01-28-2005 17:33:46

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to RayP(MI), 01-27-2005 18:07:23

I guess I am not the norm when it come to sheep producers. I figure the wool isn"t worth anything anyway, I might as well use what i like.

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Kelly C

01-27-2005 17:17:49

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to Jacques Kirouac, 01-27-2005 16:37:51

I use Sasel twine. In my Nh68 and JD14t I run 9000.
The main reason is the fact the plastic twine will never go away. You drop some of that on the ground and it will still be there 5 years latter.

You would be supprised how many peices of twine end up in just about any place it can get.
Drop a few peices of sasel behind the barn and its gone by spring.

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chief 83

01-27-2005 16:49:46

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to Jacques Kirouac, 01-27-2005 16:37:51

I also have a 315. It came with plastic in it so that's what I've stayed with. I use the 7200 and have never had a problem. My other balers have all been sisal which was never a problem. The balers were junk!

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bedrock1234

01-27-2005 18:59:25

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Re: Plastic twine vs sizal in reply to chief 83, 01-27-2005 16:49:46

I have a JD 24T and it likes 7500 plastic best

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