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Tyler in CT

01-24-2005 10:21:33

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Hi All, I'm somewhat new to haying, and considering getting a haybine. Thinking about maybe a 467 or 477, basically because it would be a little easier to haul long distance{fitting on a trailer]. I would like to pick one up in PA, since they are much cheaper and plentiful than in CT. Is this a good machine? Anyyhing to watch out for?. Also a I've seen hay rakes with dolly wheels on the front, whats the significance other than a little easier to hook up to your tractor?What is the value of a NH four bar rake, in decent shape? Thanks

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RockinHorseRanch

03-24-2006 16:50:59

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Tyler in CT, 01-24-2005 10:21:33

Hey All, Since we're all talking about haybines, I'm looking for a gearbox for a Case 555 Haybine...Apparently, the Hesston PT 10 was the same...any ideas on where to find one??? Thanks

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Jim in Michigan

01-27-2005 07:38:49

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Tyler in CT, 01-24-2005 10:21:33

I use a Farmall H narrow front, a Case 555 haybine, a old side delivery rake on rubber and a NH 68 baler, I bought the H out of a guys yard for a hundred bucks, I know that was a steal, the haybine was 200, the rake was 10 bucks, the baler was 50, so I have roughly 500 into all my hay equipment. I make hay for my small hobby farm and for some friends, my equipment does just fine, yes the front wheels run on the hay, I have never seen this as a problem as I am not baling alfalfa or anything that way,, I have mostly timothy and treefoil and have noticed no loss due to the tractor running on it,,,If you arent planning on going into the hay buisness then dont worry about it and have fun...Jim

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Kelly C

01-27-2005 18:05:53

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Jim in Michigan, 01-27-2005 07:38:49

Cripes, I thought I was the bargin hunter. You have me beat by a wide margine.

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shovelman

01-25-2005 17:55:00

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Tyler in CT, 01-24-2005 10:21:33

Tyler,

I have a JD 1209 9 foot MoCo in running condition if you are interested. I used it all last year with few problems. It is located in Northwest CT and is priced right. I am upgrading to a discbine.

I picked up a NH 56 rolabar rake for $350 that needed a total rebuild. I put it through my shop last winter and added a set of dolly wheels as well. In this area, a NH 56 or 256 in decent shape will bring $900 to $1500 depending on condition and whether it has dolly wheels.

Regards,
Scott Goff

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T213R

01-25-2005 17:15:26

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Tyler in CT, 01-24-2005 10:21:33

My observation regarding the jack stands found on older, non-dolly wheel rakes, is that they break. An INTEGRAL rake without a functioning jackstand is a bear to hook up, and replacing the jackstand assembly will cost a good percentage of the value of an older rake. Dolly wheels are just so much simpler to use. The complaint about the dollywheel running over the hay and knocking leaves off may be true. It is also true that if you are using a narrow front tractor, you'll be driving over they hay anyway. Furthermore, if you are mowing with an older tractor, and the rear wheels are frozen in place on the axle, if your rear wheel spacing isn't set for the width of your swath, you are STILL going to drive on the hay. If you are putting up hobbyfarm amounts of hay, don't worry about the dollywheel rolling over the hay. If you are doing hay in commercial amounts, your equipment will be a lot newer and you can easily use tractors which are properly set up for wheel spacing and can use late model equipment!

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paul

01-26-2005 07:11:31

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to T213R, 01-25-2005 17:15:26

Doesn't everyone try to make good hay? That's why a Schwartz wide front is on my 960, and the wheels are set where they are.

If you aren't trying for good hay, then buy it, not worth planning to make poor hay.

--->Paul

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T213R

01-26-2005 10:49:13

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to paul, 01-26-2005 07:11:31

There is such a thing as a cost-benifit ratio, you know! My main tractor is a 1968 NARROW FRONT 4020D. Yes, I could buy a $1500 John Deere factory type wfe for it (Schwartz just isn't good enough), but, I would have a hard time seeing $1500 worth of improvement in the hay! Likewise, with equipment this ould, it is sometimes very, very hard to free up the rear axle hubs from their axles! Yes, you can get them loose if you work at it long enough, and can afford to take the tractor out of service for that long in order to achieve this minor, (very minor) improvement in hay quality. If it was a case of having to adjust those wheels or not cultivate corn, you would move them, but with hay, it is possible to do the work without the major trouble of having to struggle with those frozen in place hubs!

I also mentioned that if you are doing enough hay, commercial quantities of hay or suffiecient for a larger herd of dairy cattle for example, you will probably own modern equipment, already having the appropriate wheel spacings, etc. I was not talking about them! I was refering to the smaller, hobbyist who only has the equipment he has and must make it do!

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JMS/MN

01-24-2005 22:03:54

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Tyler in CT, 01-24-2005 10:21:33

The only advantage to dolly wheels is to hook up to the tractor- other than that- they just lose more leaves while they run over the hay. The pivot point of the rake is just a bit to the rear of the hitch, so if you are breaking teeth it means your hay field is too uneven or you are running the basket too low. The dolly wheel will not help that.

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paul

01-25-2005 06:09:38

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to JMS/MN, 01-24-2005 22:03:54

A lot don't share our view on that. Dolly wheel makes for easier hookup as only advantage I can see, but has lots of negatives in my opinion. Can't back up well, loose more leaves (esp alfalfa) and pushes the hay into the ground so won't pick up as well.

Wouldn't want one.

--->Paul

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wolfmantractor

01-24-2005 19:53:02

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Tyler in CT, 01-24-2005 10:21:33

The dolly wheels on a rake is a very nice feature. The rake basket follows the ground contour much better-you save a lot of broken teeth. Raked over 200 acres last summer with a NH 256 with dolly & broke zero teeth. 477 Haybine is good. Many, being 20 yrs old are getting plain worn out. Have a 479, bought new & backed in shed every night- has had it's share of use & still good with good rolls. Weather is hard on the rolls. The 479 is in PA & for sale as I'm getting old & going to cut way down on haying.

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Joe VA

01-25-2005 07:00:38

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to wolfmantractor, 01-24-2005 19:53:02

Wolfmantractor, How much hay do you get off your 200 acres? Tell me about your operation. Thanks!

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Dave H (MI)

01-24-2005 10:36:14

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Tyler in CT, 01-24-2005 10:21:33

Assuming that you are looking at the NH 467 and 477 haybines, I hear a lot of good things about them but realize that these are really old machines and will have seen a lot of use over the years. You want to watch the condition of the rollers and the gearing and bearings associated with making the cutter action. I'm thinking these are the machines that have the infamous "wobble box" that is fairly pricey to service. Pretty sure the 477 has this set-up and not sure about the 467. Been a while since I shopped old haybines. If this is your first year, I would consider a sickle bar like a JD #5 or similar to save money and time. Haying is not for everyone and you may not like it. Never used a dolly rake so I don't know the purpose of the wheel up front. Can't speculate on the value of a NH 4 bar rake as I don't think I have ever seen one. I have an old NH 56 five bar rake that does a great job. I paid $500 for it a couple years back. Seen them sell for more but only heard of them selling for less. Hope that helps.

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txblu

01-25-2005 06:23:39

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-24-2005 10:36:14

Dave and Tyler.

The dolly is extremely handy if you are talking about a parallel bar, side discharge rake. You can roll the rake around to position it as desired on the tow vehicle, it is stand alone so you can tow it with your p/u if you want to run down the highway and rake a field. Much easier than those that mount on the drawbar.....don't have to line up the pin and above all don't have to lift it....front end is heavy for a person to lift.

Mark

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Mike (WA)

01-24-2005 17:18:21

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-24-2005 10:36:14

Some might observe that a sure way NOT to enjoy haying would be to use an old #5 mower.

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Dave H (MI)

01-25-2005 08:08:23

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Mike (WA), 01-24-2005 17:18:21

Truth be known, I have never used anything BUT an old JD #5 and I enjoy haying a lot! I was very amused by your response, though, as it makes me think of all the fun times I have had putting the mower on the tractor and taking it off. It is a real bear, even with the quick attach arms. Not enough time to describe all the times the mower has fallen over or pivoted toward me etc etc etc...

Still, it is a nice mower and for the price is a good way to experiment with haying without getting in too deep. I will admit that I am always in the market for a good used haybine!

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Kelly C

01-25-2005 15:27:56

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-25-2005 08:08:23

Boy are you gona love it when you do get your Haybine.
I did one year with the old #5 and a field last year.
I am still going to keep it for when the haybine breaks as I am sure it will or to cut places I dont want to take the Haybine.

But I dont miss hooking that thing up. 1st year I only had the H to use and had to hook and un hook it alot. NOOOOO Fun there.

Running my NH469 on my 400 is a dream. I really like cutting hay with it. Actually its the only real fun part about haying. After you get it cut every thing else is a rush to beat the rain.

Cutting you can just take your time and enjoy the job.

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Dave H (MI)

01-26-2005 11:35:59

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Kelly C, 01-25-2005 15:27:56

Those are some nice pictures, Kelly! Especially that first one with the green mower and the red tractor. Makes me nostalgic for those rolling fields....

I took my haying advice from an old farmer who was a man of few words. I told him I wanted to hay and he replyed..."Don't". No really, I said, what kind of tractor should I get? "MTA" he says.
I found one of these and it was a little pricey so I asked him why an MTA? "PTO" he responded.
I looked into this and found that the pto on the mta would assist greatly with the durned fool plugs, so I bought her. What kind of mower do I need? "JD5" was his answer. I decided he wouldn't lead me astray, so I found one of these and bought it and figured out how to use it. I also bought an old rake and an assortment of flat racks and hit the field. We were loading bales on the fourth day when I saw my friend watching from the shade of a tree. You want to help? I asked him. "NO!" he answered in typical fashion.
Poor guy, nobody ever told him it was fun!

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Mike (WA)

01-25-2005 18:46:08

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Kelly C, 01-25-2005 15:27:56

The other thing nice about mowing is. . . its the only haying job you can do when its COOL- gotta have the dew off to rake, and gotta be hot to bale. But getting out there in the morning to mow- or even better, at night with lites- that can't be beat. No, wait- you can also BUCK BALES when it cool- and that's always just a treat. . .

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Joel Harman

01-27-2005 16:06:09

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Mike (WA), 01-25-2005 18:46:08

I cut late in afternoon if possible. This is when the sugar content is higher.

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Larry Davis

01-24-2005 10:34:07

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Tyler in CT, 01-24-2005 10:21:33

Tyler
I love my 477 New Holland. I has been a good match for my small tractors and acerage. Some things to look at before purchase would be the rolls. On a machine with alot of use the rubber will sometimes be coming off. This is a expensive fix and alot of work. The wobble box that drives the sickle is also a place to look for problems from wear. A overhaul of the wobble box is quite expensive. Good guards and sickle are also a must to do a good cutting job. Check main gear box and belt that drives the wobble box as well. Good luck
Larry D

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Ken Macfarlane

01-26-2005 10:14:21

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Re: Haying Equipment in reply to Larry Davis, 01-24-2005 10:34:07

If you look at this pic carefully you'll understand I was a frustrated haybine user!

NH 489 shown

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