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Michael Soldan

01-23-2005 13:56:09




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What methods do you use to feed mineral to cattle?. My Dad used to have what he called a mineral box that he placed out in the pasture and the cattle came to it for salt and mineral. This is a self administering approach for cattle which does not guarantee that they are all getting enough mineral or perhaps too much. Is mixing it into feed the best option? Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Earl S.

01-25-2005 21:47:14




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 Re: Mineral for cattle in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-23-2005 13:56:09  
The question would be if we eat mineral deficient(food) beef.Then we (human) are deficient also?? I heard a Doctor Wallach on a tape years ago claimed our soil was mineral deficient in 1938. He was a vet before a MD.He recommend colloital liquid mineral for human.I noticed some in Sam's the other day. Any experience with that.Earl In Illinois



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Earl S.

01-25-2005 21:45:48




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 Re: Mineral for cattle in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-23-2005 13:56:09  
The question would be if we eat mineral deficient(food) beef.Then we (human) are deficient also?? I heard a Doctor Wallach on a tape years ago claimed our soil was mineral deficient in 1938. He was a vet before a MD.He recommend colloital liquid mineral for human.I noticed some in Sam's the other day. Any experience with that.Earl In Illinois



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thurlow

01-23-2005 18:53:33




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 Re: Mineral for cattle in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-23-2005 13:56:09  
I just feed it free-choice; local CO-OP has several different formulations; as far as I know, they're all self-limiting; salt being the limiting factor..... ..buy whatever is correct for whatever I'm feeding it to.



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kyhayman

01-23-2005 17:29:18




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 Re: Mineral for cattle in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-23-2005 13:56:09  
I use a polyethylene mineral box for loose mineral. Mixing with feed is ok but my cows get nothing but hay or round bale silage, if they need anything else I cant afford to keep them. When I used to mix ground feed on the farm I always hated to put the salt in my grinder mixer.

As far as ensuring intake, I use a ruminant nutritionist who blends it, it's limited with salt for set maximum daily intake and enriched with corn gluten to ensure adequate intake. Intake is set at 3 ounces per head per day and it runs almost exactly correct. Drop 150 pounds at a time in the feeder. Mix constituents are based on soil type of the farm and adjusted to blood analysis of the cows. Different mix for each farm.

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Jerry/MT

01-23-2005 19:23:55




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 Re: Mineral for cattle in reply to kyhayman, 01-23-2005 17:29:18  
David, Who does the blood analysis to determine the mineral requirements? Your local vet?



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kyhayman

01-23-2005 19:43:09




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 Re: Mineral for cattle in reply to Jerry/MT, 01-23-2005 19:23:55  
Local vet pulled the samples and had the analysis done through our state diagnostic lab. To back track, a few years ago I made a bunch of managment changes and had a 'train wreck'. Started losing cows to really odd ball diseases. Had a couple of sit downs with the state Extension Food Animal vet and she got to thinking trace mineral deficiencies. Sure enough, my cows were coming back testing below .2 ppm serum copper where below 25 ppm is low. This area was already known to be severely low in selenium so I was using a high selenium custom mix at both farms. I was cleaning afterbirth from 5-6 cows a year, added the high selenium and I havent cleaned a cow since 1988.

The exotic death losses were only at one farm so the nutritionist took the copper levels and started adding a chelated copper to that mix. Sure enough, all the odd ball problems went away. Normally, it takes a year to make significant copper gains with copper sulfate, within 90 days using the chelated copper they were testing above 25. Have to watch the custom mixes close, the one I am using has enough copper in it to kill sheep. Now, I just get baselines done if I lose a calf or cow rather than whole herd sampling. When I say exotic, 10 cases of cows to salmonella (but they didnt scour, and not a single calf sick with it), 2 cases of actinomycosis, and 2 cases of botulism. Stuff you just dont see unless you have severe immune system problems. This turned into some research studies and they found several really severe copper deficiencies. A lot of theories now that copper deficiencey may be behind the poor health performance of a lot of Ky cattle in western feedlots, to the point that most of our value added programs now call for copper supplimentation.

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Jerry/MT

01-24-2005 22:33:30




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 Re: Mineral for cattle in reply to kyhayman, 01-23-2005 19:43:09  
David, Thanks for the info. I too live in an area of selinium deficiency and my neighbors seem to have a lot of sorefooted cows, so I suspect that the immune system is suppressed due to mineral deficiencies. I'm just getting to the point where my pastures have improved enough to begin to stock the place (perfect timing with record high cow prices!). It's interesting to hear that your nutrition guy added gluten toincrease uptake. Getting them to eat enough to fix the deficiency, has always been a concern also. Sounds like this worked for you. Thanks again for the info.

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John51

01-23-2005 14:52:30




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 Re: Mineral for cattle in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-23-2005 13:56:09  
I mix minerals in the feed. No bother to do it that way. Dump it in the grinder mixer and I'm done.



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