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Tichborne cowma

01-14-2005 20:13:42




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An Open Letter to American Cattle Producers

The following letter was written in response to a letter titled �An Open Letter to Canadian Cattle Producers� that was distributed through a U.S. beef-related internet distribution system. This letter is being sent back through the same system.

Mr. Gilles Stockton,

Grass Range , Mt

January 14, 2005

Open Letter to American Cattle Producers

Dear Mr Stockton:

Your open letter to Canadian cattle producers dated January 4, 2005 prompts this reply.

Canadian cattlemen are taking advantage of no-one, least of all our fellow producers in the USA . It is true that we do have a Free Trade Agreement, which we expect both nations to honour.

Our markets have been highly integrated for decades and the fact that Canada detected and reported three cases of BSE reflects a very thorough surveillance program that has been acknowledged by the United States Department of Agriculture and by experts around the world. Contrary to your allegations, we have not violated a single international standard. Under OIE Guidelines, trade should have been suspended only until the completion of the international review by a team of international experts. We agree that the border should have been closed in June of 2003 pending the completion of this investigation.

The discovery of BSE in Canada in May of 2003 has dealt a devastating blow to Canadian beef farmers, and in fact, the entire rural economy. Across Canada , cattle producers have lost more than $5 billion. In Ontario , the 21,000 beef producers that I represent have lost almost $500 million � think of the effect this type of devastation would have on cattlemen in your own country if another case is found in the U.S.

Canada was the first export-dependent country to experience a confirmed case of home-grown BSE. As a direct result of industry and government transparency, Canada was also the first country with a confirmed case of BSE to witness an increase in domestic consumption. Our dependence on the American packing industry has caused the greatest hardship. As foreign markets continue to reopen to Canadian beef, we are still tied by insufficient packing capacity to meet the requirements of these expanding markets.

The safeguards implemented by Canada to prevent BSE directly mirror those of the United States . The fact that we have discovered three cows with the disease, none of which entered the human food chain, clearly shows that Canada �s BSE surveillance program is working. The Harvard risk assessment and testing on both sides of the border leads us to believe that Canada � and the U.S. �has a low and declining incidence of BSE. After all, it is impossible to believe that with such an integrated market, the incidence is not the same on both sides of the border. Further, the removal of Specified Risk Materials at slaughter removes any human food safety risk that may exist.

Three years ago, the mandatory Canadian Cattle Identification program was also introduced to improve the traceability of our national cattle herd and it�s a system we�re proud of. The program requires all cattle to wear unique bar-coded ear tags to improve trace back efficiency. We welcome the news that the United States is in the early stages of creating its own such system. This system has proved invaluable during recent investigations.

The marketing of cattle in both the US and Canada is a system that has developed over many years. Large and influential packers exist in other commodities as well. It is simply a result of amalgamation and the perception that only the large enterprises will survive. We will not dispute your claim that packers should have to bid competitively for cattle. We feel exactly the same way.

The discovery of BSE in Canada has revealed several weaknesses in our industry. The efforts to deal with the immediate impacts of falling prices, insufficient packing capacity, regaining export markets, producer viability, and communications have certainly taken precedence over concerns over how live cattle exports to the US may impact your market. Discussions can and should take place once we are in a position to focus our energies on something other than crisis management.

We�ve always valued the relationship we�ve had with our cattlemen counterparts south of the border and soon, we hope that relationship is back on solid ground.

Sincerely,

Ron Wooddisse, President

Ontario Cattlemen�s Association

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leebbb

01-16-2005 06:41:43




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 Re: To American cattle producers in reply to Tichborne cowman, 01-14-2005 20:13:42  
Nothing like a cavalier attitude towards our market being destroyed, I hate what happened to the Canucks. But I sure can't figure out why anybody thinks, even honest Canadians, that shipping beef across the border and suffering the market loss that will occur to the U.S. market when BSE from yet another infected cow is found, can be good. USDA is selling out the U.S. beef producer if the ban is lifted now, especially after 2 more cases were discovered in the last few days. I also like how our friendly neighbors to the north that have posted to these threads insinuate that the U.S. has BSE already, even though none has been found, true friends.

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Tichborne cowman

01-16-2005 08:14:44




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 Please understand in reply to leebbb, 01-16-2005 06:41:43  
Speaking of cavalier attitude, there"s more to this than market loss or losing a few cents a pound when you sell your beef, there is a human side to this that only Canadian cattlemen can comprehend. That is the bankruptcies, foreclosures, little or no income and the problems associated with this like suicides, breakdowns and families breaking up. Please understand though that I"m not blaming anyone, and I would understand if the border would remain closed, I think in the long haul Canadian cattle producers would be better off. Also I pray that you never have a case of BSE in America and go through what some people up here have gone through, we"re your friends whether you like it or not.

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leebbb

01-16-2005 15:45:21




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 Re: Please understand in reply to Tichborne cowman, 01-16-2005 08:14:44  
Yes, I well realize that beef producers in Canada are being ruined by this, and I really hate to see any farmer, any where, suffer. But, how is putting this plague on me gonna help these Canadians? If we could ban dairy cows from entering the beef market would be a good start. I've never sold a down cow or even one that was sick or lame. How does anybody justify selling or buying livestock, they know have something wrong with them, and butchering them? Greed, plain and simple, has caused this plague.

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paul

01-16-2005 10:02:19




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 Re: Please understand in reply to Tichborne cowman, 01-16-2005 08:14:44  
A paragraph or 2 is far to short to convay real feelings on this issue.....

Canada is a great neighbor.
They built up a lot of livestock, with little proccessing infrastructure.
Really hurts them more than most any other country on an issue such as this.
As with any countries, there are trade issues - wheat, hogs, cattle, etc. and these non-BSE issues will enter into any problem such as this....
I hope the USA & Canada ca work this BSE issue out, and continue the good trade & boarder friendship they, for the most part, have had.
If Canada must build their own processing plants, the USA will actually lose something in the long term. To Canada's advantage.
I feel bad for Canadian & USA farmers in these wheat, hog, & beef issues - people on both sides of the boarder do get hurt.
Considering the last several BSE findings in Canada & the world attitude about BSE, I do not believe now is the time to open the boarder to Canadian beef.

I do hope solutions that work for both countries can be found. I do not believe we should close the boarder & be done with it. We (both sides) need to continue to work on it.

--->Paul

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Greenfield

01-15-2005 07:18:26




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 To Canadian cattle producers in reply to Tichborne cowman, 01-14-2005 20:13:42  
It is the majority of Canadian producers that have to suffer because a few producers have kept on feeding banned feed. That is a true shame the innocent have to suffer. The last positive BSE animal was from an animal born post feed ban.

We all know this is not an health issue but an economic issue. If Canada will not police its cattle industry then we have to close our borders. The latest positive BSE test is proof enough Canada is not enforcing its laws so we will at the US border. The media always floats their non-science based opinion around and public opinion will be swayed to devastating price results to US producers.

Canada needs to fix its own problems and not expect to give the US beef producers the bill to fix their own problems.

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pay attention greenfield

01-16-2005 07:38:56




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 Can't you read !!!! in reply to Greenfield, 01-15-2005 07:18:26  
The letter was adressed to AMERICAN CATTLE PRODUCERS.



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Dave H (MI)

01-15-2005 07:10:36




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 Re: To American cattle producers in reply to Tichborne cowman, 01-14-2005 20:13:42  
Am I the only one who is tired of this inappropriate discussion topic on the implement forum? It is a violation of forum rules regarding political and inflammatory topics and is not about implements. Could I suggest that we refuse to respond to these or maybe petition that they be removed to a better place?



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John e.c.MI

01-15-2005 17:45:22




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 It's an ag issue in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-15-2005 07:10:36  
It may not be an iron issue, but it is an ag issue. Cattleman or not, if you are in ag on either side of the border this affects you.



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Dale(MO)

01-15-2005 15:03:40




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 Re: To American cattle producers in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-15-2005 07:10:36  
I am all for a petition, or anything else that will put an end to this BS that has NO business on the implement forum, or any other forum on this sight dealing with equipment of any kind. Thank you for standing up!

Dale(MO)



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Gary in TX

01-15-2005 11:53:32




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 Re: To American cattle producers in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-15-2005 07:10:36  
If you don't want to respond, then don't, if you see a topic that you don't want to read, then don't. No one has the right to grip really about the topic, you see what it is before you open the link, if you don't want to read it then don't open it, just scroll on past. Nuff said



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Dave H (MI)

01-15-2005 16:57:42




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 Re: To American cattle producers in reply to Gary in TX, 01-15-2005 11:53:32  
Certainly we have the right to "grip", or better yet, gripe about the subject. How about if I want to promote my favorite political candidates on this forum? Or sell magazines? Or put up pornography? Would that be OK as long as I described it in the subject? I think you better have this discussion with the forum moderator and see what she thinks. I have no problem with the subject itself other than the negative aspects of "them against us", I just think it would be better presented on the Country Life forum rather than under implements. Some of the best help I have received with implement and tractor problems have come from Canadians on this and other forums.
I don't think your beef problems should create an air of hostility with those people on the implement and tractor related forums. Take it to country life where it isn't OT.

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Yeah but

01-15-2005 14:54:21




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 Re: To American cattle producers in reply to Gary in TX, 01-15-2005 11:53:32  
still doesnt change the fact that this is a implement forum not a beef forum



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dr.sportster

01-15-2005 08:07:28




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 Re: To American cattle producers in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-15-2005 07:10:36  
Yea, enough already.Pass me another cheeseburger.



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Dug

01-15-2005 08:56:23




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 Re: To American cattle producers in reply to dr.sportster, 01-15-2005 08:07:28  
Make mine a double!



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leland

01-15-2005 22:18:51




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 Re: To American cattle producers in reply to Dug, 01-15-2005 08:56:23  
hold the pickles on that mad cow speical



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

01-17-2005 05:09:11




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 How many cows does it take to change a light bulb? in reply to leland, 01-15-2005 22:18:51  

- How many cows does it take to change a light bulb?

- One.

The Ottawa Citizen political cartoon, Monday, January 17, 2005.



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