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V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes

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MSS3020

01-09-2005 19:32:34




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I thought they were both the same. WHile looking for a new rake before spring comes around I found that what I thought was a v rake was a bi fold rake. So with that in mind tell me what rake I would be happy with. I was looking for itleast a 8 wheel rake. Like the idea of raking two to one or three to middle one at one time. I have a side rake now that needs to see the scrap pile. So guys give me the pros and cons. I cut 20 acres of alfalfa 4 times year and a 15 acre brome grass.
I need a rake!

Thank you

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7720future

01-10-2005 06:16:38




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to MSS3020, 01-09-2005 19:32:34  
There are both V-rakes and bi-fold rakes.
Bi-fold rakes sit on a cart. The rake wheels are behind the square tube. If you plan on having large windrows dont use this one.

V-rakes have the rake wheels in front of the square tube also called hy-capacity by H&S. Used for making larger windrows.

If any questions just go to H&S website or some other website.



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carolina oliver

01-10-2005 06:14:16




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to MSS3020, 01-09-2005 19:32:34  
If you are on rolling land, consider the 10 wheel bi-fold such as M&W BF10, because:
1. has two rear transport, and two front transport wheels, giving unit better float and ground contact than other cheaper types of V rakes.
2. has 10 indepently suspended rake wheels, follows ground contour and swags better than v types
3. 10 wh. models have the front rake wheels out on end of arms, allowing you to get right up near fences and poles, etc. 4. will cost more than v types, but you will appreciate the difference in the field.

hollar back if you're interested and I will suggest a dealer close by.

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7720future

01-10-2005 06:11:03




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to MSS3020, 01-09-2005 19:32:34  
There are both V-rakes and bi-fold rakes.
Bi-fold rakes sit on a cart. The rake wheels are behind the square tube. If you plan on having large windrows dont use this one.

V-rakes have the rake wheels in front of the square tube also called hy-capacity by H&S. Used for making larger windrows.

If any questions just go to H&S website or some other website.



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RickL

01-10-2005 06:06:10




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to MSS3020, 01-09-2005 19:32:34  
MSS3020; In regards to the rakes the Vrakes are the units that the wheels on wings fold up into the air like a bird. Thes units have some trouble in picking up the hay and balling up in the rear discharge area. They can be used single sidely also but don't seem to work the best in my usage of them. The bifold models are the 4 wheel units that pull like a wagon and then the sides swing out at the front. Thess units can work either side for use or both. On these units you also can adjust the rear width for the amount of hay you have. Included in some of the units I put together was a New Holland unit (Sitrex) and it was a nice unit. The other units put together have been the 3 wheeled inline units 9 wheels and larger with hyd steer rear wheel. These are the most versatile I think and after using several different models this season that would be my choice. Do have a used 6 wheel in line that is a nice working unit available if that would help. PS they all need to be set up correctly thou to do there thing. Spring tension is very important in how they rake. Alot of guys complain about all the dirt and so on so they don't like them,the only problem is they don't have them set correctly. When they are set correctly they will rake very clean hay and are alot gentler as far as I am concerned. Good Luck

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mss3020

01-10-2005 19:49:18




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to RickL, 01-10-2005 06:06:10  
hey rick might be interested where you at. Im in south eastern Nebraska



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RickL

01-11-2005 06:12:45




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to mss3020, 01-10-2005 19:49:18  
mss3020; Located in southeast Iowa,right straight across hwy 34 then north about 25miles on 218. Was in your state last summer getting equipment parts. Let me know



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RickL

01-11-2005 06:12:24




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to mss3020, 01-10-2005 19:49:18  
mss3020; Located in southeast Iowa,right straight across hwy 34 then north about 25miles on 218. Was in your state last summer getting equipment parts. Let me know



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RickL

01-11-2005 06:12:02




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to mss3020, 01-10-2005 19:49:18  
mss3020; Located in southeast Iowa,right straight across hwy 34 then norh about 25miles on 218. Was in your state last summer getting equipment parts. Let me know



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James in NC

01-10-2005 05:26:49




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to MSS3020, 01-09-2005 19:32:34  
Any rake that has two sides bringing hay to the center is a V-Rake. You can get them in a bar rake style like the Vemeer R-23,24,2800. There are also two style of V wheel rakes. the most common around here are the ones that fold up these are cheapest V-Rake and they will get the job done. Vermeer WR series. The other kind of V wheel rake is the ones that fold in to the center. I believe that this is the bi-fold style. They are more expensive to purchase, they push the wheels unlike the others that pull them and the wheels are indepent so they follow the ground better. They also are easier on the hay and the land. Vermeer WRV and WRX series.
The reason I posted just the Vermeers model is that is all know off top of my head. Many other company's make V-Rakes. The double basket rakes are made in the USA and most of the wheel rakes are made in Italy.

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Tx Jim

01-10-2005 04:16:10




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to MSS3020, 01-09-2005 19:32:34  
MSS3020,I also run a H&S rake.Mine has 14 wheels.I suppose it is a bi-fold as if folds together.I have yet to find hay in N.Tex.that it won't rake.I normally rake 3 cuts together that have been laid out flat to promote drydown.If hay is to heavy(rarely) I rake two.If very thin I rake 4.I had one of the Vermeer R23's for several yrs.and I didn't like my hyd. oil getting so HOT that you had to get gloves to unhook the hoses that ran the baskets.Also spreading rake in or out was a chore if not on very smooth ground which I don't have compliments of the imported FIRE ants.Now I just move hyd.valve and rake moves in/out.I'll stay with the H&S as it is very well engineered.Tx Jim

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Don-Wi

01-09-2005 21:47:33




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to MSS3020, 01-09-2005 19:32:34  
We've used our neighbors H&S 10 or 12 wheel V-rake for the past few years. Works great, and if we can find one for the right price, we would like to buy it. If your land is really uneven though, one side will go up and skip over the hay. Our land is fairly flat so it works for us. We have a 9' cut, and we pull 3 together.
Donovan from Wisconsin

Come to think of it, maybe it is a "bi-fold" rake... I dunno. can't think what any difference would be other than what the manufacturer calls it.

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Bill in Colo

01-09-2005 20:41:10




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to MSS3020, 01-09-2005 19:32:34  
buy a vermeer 23 or 24 hydraulic vee rake you won't be sorry. P.S. be carefull where you park it. Here in the west they are one of the most stolen pieces of equipment.



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kyhayman

01-09-2005 20:19:06




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to MSS3020, 01-09-2005 19:32:34  
How about an 8 wheel inline. That way, in thin hay you can rake 1 down and 1 back and get twice as much as with a v or bi fold. It thats too big thin just asingle raked out will get the same result. I had a v rake, used it twice, hated it. In heavy hay the windrows were too wide or balled up in the rake if I set the rake narrow. I had a good 5 bar and added another one with tandem hitch for the same money but if I hadnt had it would have probably gone 8 inline.

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thurlow

01-09-2005 19:49:20




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 Re: V-rakes vrs. Bi-fold rakes in reply to MSS3020, 01-09-2005 19:32:34  
As with so many questions posted on here..... it all depends. Personally have had side-delivery, basket, rake/tedder and big wheel. Current rake is a 10-wheel Well-Bilt; pull-behind on two wheel dolly with hydraulic fold. It works great FOR MY SITUATION..... .commercial cow/calf operation. One immediately preceding it was an 8-wheel Tonutti on 3-point hitch; it worked great, but was a major PIA to fold/move. Like I say, it all depends.....quality of hay, type of hay, type of ground, ultimate use/destination of hay, etc.

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