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R Wyler

01-05-2005 12:46:30

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I have a 4 row Allis planter it is a row flex I think. Anyhow I want to make a 2 row 3 point planter for my 8n. If I knew how to weld it would help. Anyone have any ideas? I have a 3 point A frame off a Dunham mower I think it is a cat 1. Thanks for any advice.

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R Wyler. I posted a pic o

01-06-2005 09:53:49

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-05-2005 12:46:30

Its the best pic I could find to post for now

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JMS/MN

01-06-2005 12:51:18

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler. I posted a pic o, 01-06-2005 09:53:49

The picture does not show much. (Why not post it here?). It does show two transport wheels, as if it is a pull-type, but does not show a hitch. Post a picture when the planter is out of the grass, showing hitch, wheels, drive system, etc. if you cannot find any model number. It looks like something that came out before the AC no-till version.

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R Wyler

01-06-2005 12:54:46

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to JMS/MN, 01-06-2005 12:51:18

It has no ID tag anywhere. I will get it out and take more pics soon. It is a row flex planter is all I know it shows a pic of one in my Allis book. late 50s early 60s is the era it is from.

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paul

01-06-2005 17:39:19

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-06-2005 12:54:46

I will attempt putting in the pic location here, I don't promise it will work. :) You can get the image location by clicking on the pic over in the gallery (the pic itself, NOT just the web page it displays on!) and then paste that link into the 'Optional Image URL:' area.

Anyhow, that is a little older than I was thinking, don't see any seed boxes. AC made a pretty good row unit in the '70s, was hoping that was what you had. 30 inch row spacing is still the most common, surprised it isn't wider for as old as it is.

Anyhow, unbolt the units where they attach at the front bar, and attach them to your new 3pt bar. You will do better with 2 gauge wheels on your 3pt bar to hold the planter bar an even height above the ground, and each unit need to be flexing up & down with the joints it has.

The 2 big wheels hold the weight of the frame, but each press wheel holds the weight of the row unit when actually planting. I guess maybe that is the confusion?

A 3 row would be kind of odd, you will not be able to space things out right most of the time, you need to drive down the rows, not on them. Most all planters are on even rows for this. If you can handle 3 rows, might as well pull all 4 & leave it the way it is. Just something to think on.

Check out plate availability, you might end up spending $50 a plate for these old machines if you can find them. That might make selling this one for $50 & buying a 3pt setup for $300 with $10 plates look pretty good.

Just idle thoughts.

--->Paul

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R Wyler

01-06-2005 17:49:54

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to paul, 01-06-2005 17:39:19

Thanks for posting the pic Paul I should have been thinking I should have thought of posting it here like that I forgot about the URL deal on here to pose pics. A 2 row is what I was wanting to make. I bought corn plates for this planter in 99 from a seed dealer they are plastic I planted 3 acres or a little more of sweet corn with it and it worked so nicely. It is too big as a 4 row for my gardening and the thing is in suck nice shape. Yes it is an older one and I have the seed hoopers stored inside. I replaced the springs in the seed hopper dispenser mechanisms and really made that thing work well. If I can find plates that will work for green beans I would be pleased. I am not sure how the speed settings will be I think it has 2 more sprokets on the drive wheels I will look. Ok I see now that the press wheels guage the planter depth. And I agree that guage wheels on the tool bar is problably a good idea. R Wyler

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Tim(nj)

01-06-2005 20:18:26

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-06-2005 17:49:54

If you managed to get plastic plates in 99 for this thing, you"ve probably got B-series Lustran? Same as JD plates, like most A-C planters. So now we know you don"t have the oddball plates.
I"m not sure about planting lettuce with it. You need something like a JD 33 unit for that, with tilted seedcans and precision stainless plates and drop mechanisms. These A-C units will likely drill it way too thick, and maybe place too deep. Only way to find out is to try. You"ll have to find Lincoln Ag products for the plastic plates. They have blanks so that you can make your own custom sizes. Look around for a 4-row A-C cultivator to cut down for the 3-point frame. Probably more common here in the east. Ever use ironsearch.com?

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R Wyler, yes I looked on

01-06-2005 21:08:26

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to Tim(nj), 01-06-2005 20:18:26

I forgot to mention I do use Iron Search often and I looked today I did find a couple Allis cultivators that are what I need they are snap coupler but they could be made 3 pt very easily. The only problem is they are in KY and I am in northern OK :>( a bit to far to get them here without spending a fortune LOL I'll figure something out. R Wyler

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R Wyler

01-06-2005 21:03:22

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to Tim(nj), 01-06-2005 20:18:26

Thanks for the info Tim that is very interesting and also encourageing. Yes Lustran that name rings a bell It must be on those plates. Yes I learned they are very similar to some Deere plates. I will check out lincoln Ag and get some blank plates and also look into pre made bean plates. I really like my Allis units they are very well made and work well. I agree lettuce would take a very precise planter I will figure that out later. But these Allis units are nice for corn and beans and that type of crop. R Wyler

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paul

01-06-2005 17:43:38

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to paul, 01-06-2005 17:39:19

I wanted to add, but it almost wiped out all my text when I tried to go back:

Most all machines built since the 50's (and earlier) would have a serial plate to identify it. I understand if it was damaged or scraped off - but, look real closely on the frame, members, usually in a protected area, there will be a little tiny tag rivioted on telling you what you have. Hard to find sometimes, need to look at all angles & sides of the frame.

--->Paul

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thurlow

01-06-2005 09:52:46

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-05-2005 12:46:30

Do the individual units bolt to a tool bar..... square or diamond??? Unit numbers..... .....72,73,74 or the same with zeros on 'em 7200 etc..... .....

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R Wyler

01-06-2005 09:56:18

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to thurlow, 01-06-2005 09:52:46

Yes they are are on a tool bar and I would call it a diamond. I just posted a pic of it on the implement photos. Maybe you could ID the model of the units. I also want info on what kind of vegetable plates they offered for them. Thanks for the info.

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Tim(nj)

01-06-2005 17:09:23

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-06-2005 09:56:18

I don"t think those units are vegetable seed capable, except for big-seed stuff like beans, peas, or squash. Pull a plate and take a picture of it. Shep in Florida has/had a row-flex with plates in it that were unique to that type of planter, not like the JD-style plates in the other A-C planters. If it"s got the oddball plates in it, it isn"t worth messing around with.

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R Wyler

01-06-2005 17:14:31

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to Tim(nj), 01-06-2005 17:09:23

Thanks Tim I will be sure to get in touch with him. I know this planter is good for sweet corn but I love gardening and I would like to have a 3 pt 2 row that is capable of planting vegetables like green beans and also lettuce.

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riverbend

01-07-2005 06:23:04

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-06-2005 17:14:31

I have had pretty good luck with JD 70 planter (71s would be better) units for small vegetables seeds i.e. arugula, mustard, radishes.

The planters drive off the packing wheel with adjustable sprockets and a chain. That lets you adjust the in row seed spacing. JD sells depth bands that go on the opener disks to set the depth. Lettuce might be hard unless the seed is pelleted.

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thurlow

01-06-2005 11:38:37

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-06-2005 09:56:18

Looked at your picture; can't really tell, but it appears to be a 3-point hitch rather than a pull type. If it is, you could just cut it down to a 2 row..... cut each end of the tool bar off to the right length. Whether it's pull or 3-point, those units will mount on a 3-point hitch tool bar..... where you'll get one (in your area), I don't know. And..... ...the seed/sword/opener depth IS CONTROLLED by the press wheels.

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R Wyler

01-06-2005 11:56:16

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to thurlow, 01-06-2005 11:38:37

Ok thanks for the info Thurlow. It is a pulltype planter right now. I was wondering about looking for a toolbar also. One that is pre made and is for cat 1 3pt. That would lessen the about of work I would have to do to make this rig.

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paul

01-06-2005 17:52:14

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-06-2005 11:56:16

Look in the scrap yards, there are tons of old implements being cut up. An old small 3pt mounted cultivator could be had pretty cheap, cut off the ends.

You could also weld on or clamp on the lower ears & upper link to the current diamond frame, throw away the hitch & cut off the ends, get rid of the wheels/ lift stuff.

--->Paul

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R Wyler

01-06-2005 18:11:41

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to paul, 01-06-2005 17:52:14

That is a good idea I need to go look and see. I was thinking today it would be ideal to get an Allis cultivator 3 pt. Or other color that the tool bar that my units would fit on. Then I would have my cultivator and planter chaneing tools on the bar is quick and easy. Yes originally I was planning to use the diamond bar that the thing has now. If only I knew how to weld :>) that is my biggest drawback.

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paul

01-06-2005 19:53:27

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-06-2005 18:11:41

I'm a horrid welder too - tho I have bigger drawbacks - just ask my wife! :)

--->Paul

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R Wyler

01-06-2005 21:04:29

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to paul, 01-06-2005 19:53:27

Thats ok no man is perfect :>)

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BobMo

01-05-2005 19:19:58

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-05-2005 12:46:30

1) Why?????
2) You can buy a fair 2 row 3pt for a few bucks that will work and after your done with this one you'll have something your never satisfied with.
3) Frankly I'm puzzled..... .

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R Wyler

01-06-2005 09:43:25

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to BobMo, 01-05-2005 19:19:58

Well I really like Allis planters and this planter is really not the most useful for field crops at about 30 inch spaceing. And for anything like that I preffer a drill anyhow. These units are so ideal for garden crops and I want to make good use of it. I want to get bean plates for it as well as others if I can find them.

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JMS/MN

01-05-2005 12:54:35

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-05-2005 12:46:30

I don't know what you mean by 'row flex', but I think you can make it a mounted planter, if the planter determines its planting depth by wheels which are mounted behind the planting units, and you can come up with a mounting system that allows the lift arms to flex while the planter wheels determine planting depth. Any planter needs to operate 'level frame' to do a decent job.

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R Wyler

01-05-2005 13:07:21

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to JMS/MN, 01-05-2005 12:54:35

On this planter the front is really what acts as the depth guage. I am planning on useing the tool bar it has and cutting it down and then welding the 3 point frame to that. It is going to take some engineering and I want to get it done in time to plant sweet corn and beans this spring.

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paul

01-06-2005 02:31:30

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-05-2005 13:07:21

What drives the seed plates in each hopper? Is each one driven by the cover wheel behind the row, or are all driven off the big wheels & a shaft?

Wish you had a model number or a picture, I"ve not seen a planter design like you are describing either, we must be looking at things differently. Can"t really set row depth in front of the row....

--->Paul

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R Wyler

01-06-2005 09:40:03

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to paul, 01-06-2005 02:31:30

Each unit is run by the press wheel independently for each unit. I am going to post a pic on the implement photos.

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JMS/MN

01-05-2005 13:34:03

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to R Wyler, 01-05-2005 13:07:21

What is it on the front of the machine that acts as a depth gauge? What model AC is it? Frankly, I've never seen any corn planter where the depth is determined in front of the planter unit. Years ago it was determined by the packer wheels, and with the advent of the JD 7000, depth was determined by the wheels alongside of the openers. That idea was copied by IH, White, Deutz, NI, etc.

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R Wyler

01-06-2005 09:38:38

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Re: Building a 2 row 3pt planter from a 2 row pul in reply to JMS/MN , 01-05-2005 13:34:03

I will post a pic on the implement photos. I could be wrong but the front does hold up part of it.

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