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Jim@concordfarms.

01-03-2005 07:59:38




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I was reading the post lower on this page about bermuda grass and it's high nitrogen requirements. It got me to wondering, with nitrogen prices being so high, what forage grass gives you the most return for your nitrogen dollar? Any thoughts? Thanks. Jim.




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kyhayman

01-03-2005 18:20:34




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 Re: 'nother grass hay question. in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 01-03-2005 07:59:38  
As far as plant conversion of N goes with grasses it is really more a question of types of plants. The grasses which have C4 photosynthesis (warm season grasses such as corn, sorghum, bermuda) will produce much more total yield than the grasses using C3 photosynthesis.

100 pounds of actual N will produce a nominal dry matter yield of 4-5 tons of orchard grass, timothy, brome, or fescue assuming P/K are both high and pH is optimal with adequate sunlight at water.

100 pounds of actual N will produce a nominal dry matter yield of 2-4X that in C4 plants with corn being one of the most efficient given the same qualifiers.

I didnt answer your question, sorry. Its more "which in 'my area'". If you are north of about Nashville's latitude then growing season begins to limit the photosynthesis potential of the warm season grasses (except corn which has been bred for shorter season). Here, brome grass will give you the most nutrition (fescue a close second), timothy the most total yield.

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Steve Chancellor

01-03-2005 09:48:04




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 Re: 'nother grass hay question. in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 01-03-2005 07:59:38  
If you are looking to stay in the Bermuda family of grasses without mixing, Tifton 85 is an excellent high yielder (tonage per acre). Also, somewhat new is World Feeder. These Bermuda hybrids respond very well to proper fertilization. Best economic approach??? Use soils testing!!!



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paul

01-03-2005 09:19:37




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 Re: 'nother grass hay question. in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 01-03-2005 07:59:38  
Typically a ay mix with clover, alfalfa, etc that fixes N for you.

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thurlow

01-03-2005 09:09:27




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 Re: 'nother grass hay question. in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 01-03-2005 07:59:38  
As with many topics discussed..... .don't know that there is a one size fits all..... ....for me (and most of my neighbors), our perennial pastures are all based on Kentucky 31 fescue..... yep, the old endophyte variety; with whatever additionals work for us individually, common bermuda, jap (lespedza), orchard grass, etc; responds to N; holds up under intensive grazing; easily stockpiled for late fall/winter graze..... ....

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old

01-03-2005 08:13:16




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 Re: 'nother grass hay question. in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 01-03-2005 07:59:38  
Thats why I plant a lot of clover it put it back for free and makes good hay also



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