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Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended!

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Greenfield

01-02-2005 21:02:51




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We must not let Canadian beef in this country until they can prove they have a BSE "FREE" heard. With 2 more positive BSE cases last week in Canada, March 2005 is too soon and will cause more countries to ban US beef.
Our calves are bring top dollar now and we all hope for prices to increase when Japan soon will start back buying US beef.




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marty g.

01-04-2005 05:49:40




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
Maybe you should stop the Canadian geese from flying into your country then. They eat in our corn fields and go for a crap in your pasture fields. You think the borders are safe when any birds can do that...



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leland

01-03-2005 22:01:51




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
Greenfield you need some serious help,I belive canadian beef is no more dangerous than the beef produced here in THE U.S.A. considering that I used to mix feed that the cattle in england and canada also ate. so unless your sleeping with OPRAH get off your soap box our cattle have the same problems we just cover it up better. How do I know this guy next door worked for the state ag dept insecpting cattle for 30 years.

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Reefer

01-03-2005 16:19:28




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 Re: American buyers should stay at home. in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
....maybe we should be like our neighbors, when they have a suspected case of bse, all of a sudden, all the vets are too busy to draw a sample. So far this request for testing suspected animals has been ignored close to 300 times. No, you don't have bse, either.

I'm sure glad we have a national id program, so we can find any suspected offspring. Our system tracked the disease right down to one of eleven black heifers imported from England. By the way, this program tracked the suspected animals through your US herds as well. Apparently, your program didn't work too well. Oh ya, ya don't have one.

What you guys generally accuse of us of is not having tighter borders. In this case, we are guilty. The first case of bse was almost botched by the Farmer himself. We shouldn't of let this inbred mennonite from Missouri in, to start with. Its odd, that he high tailed it back to his homeland after he screwed things up here, and can't be found.

Its simple, read the following very closely.....If ya don't want Canadian cattle, then stay at home and quit buying them. Please stop and read again. Where are the constitutionalists now? I don�t here that... freedom of speech, its a free county spiel. Too bad its a free country here, and we let in the American buyers. Ya, my banker would hate it, if my replacements dropped in half, due to not having to compete with a foreigner to buy our own replacement feeders.

Maybe you guys should start producing sufficient quality and quantity to satisfy your feeders and packers. The way you guys line up to get on the hind t!t of that US government farm bill cow, you should be producing an abundance of meat. Then again would have to actually work, too bad you couldn't have a cow set a side program. Just like the land, get paid not to farm ....geeeze give me a break.

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leebbb

01-03-2005 17:07:57




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 Re: American buyers should stay at home. in reply to Reefer, 01-03-2005 16:19:28  
Sounds like you don't like American agriculture very much, well that's too bad. You obviously don't know much about our agriculture either, the last time I checked there is NO government subsidy for the beef industry, at least my part of it, the cow-calf operation. I've never recieved a subsidy check in my life period. I can't help that ya'll are plagued with BSE, I'm sorry your beef producers are suffering from the effects of it. But why do you think it's only fair that I have to suffer also is just beyond me. Good luck

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tim[in]

01-03-2005 15:02:36




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
i just heard that they found another dairy cow with bse in canada just 2 days after lifting the ban. dont know how true it is but that's just what i heard.



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buickanddeere

01-03-2005 14:49:06




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
Pardon the spelling as the spell checker won't fix a couple here. Maybe I've had some infected beef or venison and can't spell? There is BSE in cattle, scappies in sheep, chronic wasting disease in the deer herds and different types of alscimers in people. The disease in it's various forms has crossed the species barrier. The 1st cases in 1968 can be traced back to a pen of sick elk at a US research station. The elk were let loose into the wild to avoid the paperwork of disposal. And then cattle were put straight into the sick elk pen. There were the two original trouble groups. Want to find disease how about those bison in Yellow Stone, TB and brucalosious. I'm the 1st to admit that Canada has not handled to problem correctly. Beef protein can still be fed to chickens, then chicken protein can be feed to beef..... .well duh. There's a problem. And we should as the Japanese do, test every animal. They test every brain stem and vacuum out the spinal cord from the carcass when still warm. If something is found then back trace to the heard and get rid of the older animals. The meat industry here believe it or not still allow brains etc to be mixed in with sausage etc as a binder. Another duh. Then again we deserve the donkeys the urbanites voted into Ottawa. And lets not kid ourselves about BSE in the US. It's there in spades. It's just SSS has been in service for a while.

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yo from ontario

01-03-2005 11:25:57




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
Maybe we should also stop our oil and natural gas from going across the border.



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tichborne cowman

01-03-2005 10:21:39




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 ban them, go for it in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
We'll keep our cattle up here, finish them and process them and compete head to head to export meat to other countries. If we are successfull we will hear the same old whine from south of the boarder about unfair subsidies and unfair this and unfair that. So much for farmers sticking together, and I just came on this forum to find out whats wrong with my manure spreader.



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dr.sportster

01-03-2005 12:39:48




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 Re: ban them, go for it in reply to tichborne cowman, 01-03-2005 10:21:39  
Since all these cattle roam between Manitoba and N.Dakota arent they one big herd anyway.Do they check with customs?I dont think so.Isnt there a cattle website for such a discussion.Horses,cows,chickens who cares le.ts talk about tools and tractors.Im just poed cause my tractor is stuck in a dang swamp.



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Chuck MI

01-03-2005 09:21:30




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 Buy local! in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
Why are we looking at importing more beef just to export more beef? If the Canacian beef cattle are so clean and healthy, then why don't you guys lobby the Japaneese to buy your beef?

I personally think that consumers should resist the "global economy" and push to buy food products, whenever possible from more local sources.

Chuck



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BobMo

01-03-2005 12:56:36




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 Re: Buy local! in reply to Chuck MI, 01-03-2005 09:21:30  
I personally think that producers should resist the "global economy" too. Of course this will mean that you can no longer shop a Wal-Mart, drive a Ford, GM, Dodge or buy a John Deere.
In most cases you'll find that the people promote protectionism have their own agenda. Unfortunately that usually involves somehow bending over the buyer, customer, or consumer without the benefit of a kiss.
Come on guys the Canadians aren't guilty of something malicious. We feed the same thing for years. What if the shoe was on the other foot.

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thurlow

01-03-2005 13:15:54




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 Re: Buy local! in reply to BobMo, 01-03-2005 12:56:36  
CORRECTO!!!!! There is no "here" on this board, as in 'cattle should not be allowed into (here)this country'. Lots of Canadian (some of 'em may even be Canadiens) posters on this board; I even consider some of them to be my friends..... ..... ...I'm much more concerned with the "more" (U.S.)gov't interference coming down the pike than I am the importation of Canadian beef; are you prepared to micro-chip EACH of your cattle? it's coming..... ..... .

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Dave H (MI)

01-03-2005 13:41:25




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 Re: Buy local! in reply to thurlow, 01-03-2005 13:15:54  
Are YOU prepared to be microchipped? That's comin too! Don't for one minute think I am kidding.



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BobMo

01-03-2005 07:54:48




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
There were not 2 confirmed cases in Canada last week but one. Both cattle that came from Canada were milk producers and not beef cattle. We don't even check enough beef cattle here to be 100% sure there is no BSE here but, there is also no reason to think there is in our current herd. I am confident that the governments of both Canada and the US is able to make sure that imports into this country from Canada are of no danger to the consuming public. It also has nothing to do with the selling of medications to US citizens by Canadian distributors.
Although the Canadians are capable of getting under our skins ocassionly they are our largest trading partner and it should remain a 2 way street and we should forget our individual self interests. Good luck to all and happy new year.

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Rauville

01-03-2005 04:39:04




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
I heard on the news last week that lifting the import ban on Canadian cattle is a trade off for the Canadian government basically stopping the shipping of drugs to the States.
It does make you wonder in the fact that both of these policy changes are being discussed at the same time...and shortly after a visit by our President to Canada. Hmmmm?



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Roy in UK

01-03-2005 04:02:41




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
You don"t know how lucky you are. Here in England we had a totally BSE free herd and we never bought replacements from anywhere else. BUT anything we had that was over 30 months old was shot and put into the fire. I am well out of it now. No regrets!



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Stickler

01-03-2005 02:58:54




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to Greenfield, 01-02-2005 21:02:51  
Funny, we can't even bring US dog food into Canada because YOU have BSE there too and are not certified clean yet.



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leebbb

01-03-2005 04:24:44




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to Stickler, 01-03-2005 02:58:54  
The only BSE in the U.S. was a cow imported from Canada. The U.S. government is certainly not looking out for it's farmers if it opens the door to Canadian beef again. Prices are up and we're starting to reopen markets closed to us because of a cow from Canada. Opening the border is only gonna knock the wind out of us, until they find another imported cow with BSE, then it's gonna ruin our markets permanently. There's nothing free about "free trade" if it ruins a whole segment of agriculture.

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jimont

01-03-2005 05:43:55




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to leebbb, 01-03-2005 04:24:44  
leebbb - The only difference between the U.S. and Canada is that Canada didn't follow the U.S. by shooting, shoveling and shutting up. It would have saved a lot of headaches for Canadian producers.



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ken macfarlane

01-03-2005 07:36:51




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to jimont, 01-03-2005 05:43:55  
Its curious as I thought part of the problem in the US is that they didn't have as good of testing ability to tell if there actually is any BSE in the US? IF this is the case it would be hard to keep border shut.

There has been no BSE found in eastern parts of Canada, I suppose it helps that there aren't any feedlots in the east. Should the eastern beef be banned too?

I really have a problem with the producers, in Canada the prices have plumeted for farmers. Unfortunately no change has occured for the consumers. How is this free market? There is a type of monopoly manipulation going on somewhere.

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ken macfarlane

01-03-2005 07:49:00




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to ken macfarlane, 01-03-2005 07:36:51  
I did some reading and both countries seem to be putting into place similar monitoring systems.



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Kent in NB

01-03-2005 16:32:54




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 Re: Canadian Cattle BAN should be extended! in reply to ken macfarlane, 01-03-2005 07:49:00  
I am a Canadian milk producer. I work hard to produce an excellent product at the cheapest cost I can. I am small. I milk 35-40 cows in old facilities. I BUY MY GRAIN AND SUPPLEMENTS! from a corporation. The corp. makes feed as cheap as allowed by law. The law is made by the government. The government is made by the people. The people of this country like cheap food. Food can come from anywhere in the world right now, and be cheaper than anything we Canadians, or Americans can produce.To protect your market, you exploit any opportunity you can- to survive! You Americans are good at this. I cannot fault you for this. But you must remember, when one door closes, another will open, somewhere... . Canadian slaughter capacity is being ramped up. FAST! Think about it. We wish you no harm. We just feel you don't have all your facts straight. BSE is a global problem, caused by people, messed up by government, made worse by corporate profit taking, and suffered on me, a small farmer, trying to make an honest living. Now go save a tractor. Someones gotta do it.

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