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bob 38

12-29-2004 15:33:43




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I have an old 2n tractor that I would like to set up for gardening. about an acre in size, maybe two. I am looking into getting some used 3 point equipment for it. has anyone ever used a 2n/9n with a tiller? is it possible to run a tiller on this tractor? if so, what would be the best choice as far as size is concerned? time is not a problem, just looking for the cheapest way to acheive turning sod to garden, without having to buy another tractor. as this one works good for other tasks and is reliable, so would like to keep it. any suggestions would be appreiciated, thanks.

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Bkeepr

12-30-2004 15:18:53




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to bob 38, 12-29-2004 15:33:43  
I agree with Mr. MacKay and the others. I've got a 48 8N. I plow in the fall, let the field set like that through the winter. In springtime, I disk it. I use a middle-buster plow to lay off rows. If I'm making a fine seed bed, I'll follow that with a push-plow with a cultivator on it, and make a perfect seed bed.

Didn't pay much for any of my equipment, a decent older plow around here will go for $150 easy, disks cheaper. I got impatient and bought the middlebuster new for about $200, but have since seen them for $25 at auction.

Good luck, whatever you do!

Tom A

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RN

12-30-2004 09:14:21




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to bob 38, 12-29-2004 15:33:43  
2N moves faster than ideal for tiller. Others have noted speed/gear problem. Tractor was designed quite well for plowing, Try 2-12 plow or single 16 inch plow. 6 foot single or double disc to break plowed ground lumps in spring. Note that Ford Ns were the first 3pt hitch in US, set standard for 3 pt. 8N cultivators and other 3pt equipment will usually fit. Plowing can be done if not much snow and ground not frozen deep yet- are you a couple hundred miles south of Wisconsin, try it. RN

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Hugh MacKay

12-29-2004 22:57:03




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to bob 38, 12-29-2004 15:33:43  
Bob: You did say tilling on the cheap, then why are you talking roto tillers, the most expensive way known to man of tilling soil. I have been gardening for close to 45 years, and have never used a roto tiller.

Go and buy yourself a good plow and disk. Watch for wear on replacable wear parts. The wear quite often renders these machines useless and thus worthless. Wear parts on a plow I'm thinking could go as high as $400. per bottom. On disk harrows disk blades are probably pushing $40. each and bearings $50. each.

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sawtooth

12-30-2004 05:48:25




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-29-2004 22:57:03  
I agree with Hugh that you don't need a roto-tiller. If your land is at least fairly level think fall plowing (probably too late for this season). Come spring your soil is soft and loose, mainly only needs leveling. The bigger battle will be keeping weeds out in the growing season, need to have your crop so you can at least cultivate between rows until the plants canopy bare soil.



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Hugh MacKay

12-30-2004 14:22:57




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to sawtooth, 12-30-2004 05:48:25  
sawtooth: If you follow the term, "tilling on the cheap", then I guess you would call my gardening just that. I rotate my garden every year in a 3 year cycle. Each year I have 3 plots going; this years garden, last years garden I fallow disking down vegetable waste all summer and next years garden where I grow one or two crops of plow down buckwheat.

Last years garden is where I do 90% of my tillage, tilling quite deep not only to bury vegetable waste but during season I try and bring as many weed seeds to the germination range in soil as possible, allowing them to germinate, then kill them, usually by tillage.

The buckwheat year, I broadcast seed the buckwheat as early as I can in spring. Soon as it comes in blossom or before I plow it under, and plant a second crop. In early Oct I plow this all under and prepare my next years garden. This preparation involves making rows I will plant on next spring. Not large rows or hills, just try to get then 2 to 3 inches above soil surface. These hills or rows dry off quite early thus allowing me to plant long before I could ever till in spring. Never allow the buckwheat to go to seed, it can become the biggest weed problem you have.

In the garden year I rarely ever have tractor on that section. I have a small roller curved to fit over rows. I use this to break the crust only then seed or plant on the hills I made last fall. I have a set of mid and rear mount row crop cultivators for my Farmall 140. Most years I don't even use them. Getting rid of weeds in the rows is a pain in the butt. Much easier done those other two years. By getting garden ready in early Oct., any weed seeds close enough to surface will germinate, and will be killed by frost or I can use roundup. The secret is DO NOT disturb soil again after this. Just plant in spring with no tillage. The only thing tillage will do in the garden year is bring weeds seeds to the germination range in the soil, that were not there when you started.

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Leland

12-29-2004 22:06:52




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to bob 38, 12-29-2004 15:33:43  
Have any of you guys tried using tiller in reverse? belive it or not it works better just slow motor down some.



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BEN in KS

12-29-2004 21:20:19




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to bob 38, 12-29-2004 15:33:43  
I run a 48" Howard Rotavator with my 8N. It will work, but you can't break up sod with it. Plow first and get the soil loosened up. I have sandy soil here, which helps. You should expect to make multiple, shallow passes rather than one deep pass. Good luck.



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bob38

12-30-2004 17:20:12




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to BEN in KS, 12-29-2004 21:20:19  
thanks everyone, I sure got some thinking to do after all the different responses. I wonder if a sherman step down transmission would help with the speed problem? not sure if they gear it lower or higher, but I see them on e-bay all the time. never heard of running one in reverse, on mine reverse seems as fast as first is, or faster. I have a lot of clay in my soil. I already got a one bottom 14inch plow. also got a snowplow. I guess I'll see what I can get a good deal on, and go from there. My thinking is that if I got a tiller that would work used. that it would be cheaper than buying a disk and harrow both, but would rather purchase whatever makes a better tilth, and whatever would be less of a headache to use.

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RN

12-30-2004 18:08:03




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to bob38, 12-30-2004 17:20:12  
Since you have plow already and seem to want minimum equipment( or are $$ short) try to find a cultivator first. For seedbed prep after plowing use cultivator following furrow, then go crossways/diaginal. Lady with a Cub has her culivator rig on full time, does spring seedbed work this way, has extra shovel to put on toolbar, then cultivates crop rows during summer. RN



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Leroy

12-30-2004 17:54:23




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to bob38, 12-30-2004 17:20:12  
The sherman would also slow the pto speed. For a cheap tiller that would work find 4 front tine tillers with engines and mount them all on a 3 pt frame and use the orignal tiller engines, you would have all 4 engines running at the same time to do the tilling and the tractor would just controll the handling of the multiple units and idle the tractor in low gear



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paul

12-30-2004 17:25:19




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to bob38, 12-30-2004 17:20:12  
I believe, because of the non-live pto, a Sherman tranny affects the speed of the pto equally as it affects the tractor speed - no help to you.

--->Paul



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FH

12-29-2004 19:42:08




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to bob 38, 12-29-2004 15:33:43  
For sod buy a two bottom plow and disc and you'll be miles ahead. I pull a 6 foot tiller with a stronger diesel with live power and Low gear is still too fast at times.



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paul

12-29-2004 16:32:46




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 Re: tilling on the cheap in reply to bob 38, 12-29-2004 15:33:43  
To use a tiller well, you need to drive _real_ slow. My understanding is that the N series does not move slow enough. In addition the non-live pto (and the N does not have live 3pt?) makes it less fun. Power would not be a problem - speed & features are.

That doesn't mean it is impossible, but you are are less than average to start with.

--->Paul



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